Growing 'Musa Basjoo' in London, Ontario, Canada... - Page 14

The Hollyberry Lady · 10-25-2010, 12:02 AM

You can't say it won't survive with absolute certainty though Kevin...that's what experimenting is all about. Besides that, I do have two plants already.

I would just like some pups in Spring and I'll be happy, but I don't want to have to bring it indoors when others in London don't either and still theirs survives each season.

I'm kind of excited to see what will happen but I'll do my best to protect the root systems over winter.

: )

willy1der · 10-25-2010, 12:53 PM

Your protection method will do the trick,I would like to say just forget about them and see what comes up in spring but I found myself every couple of weeks checking if there alive or not.I am now convinced of basjoos hardiness,so I am going to forget about them this winter.You will see what I mean,lol.good luck

The Hollyberry Lady · 10-25-2010, 02:24 PM

Thanks Willy!

I love it that you live in the very city I live in and have had success with yours. The lady at the TreeFarm nursery acted like protecting them for the winter, was really no big deal here at all.

Bob tells me he thinks it's because of our consistent snow coverage. It keeps the corm warm over winter.

I'll be sure to let you guys know how it all works out but I'm very optimistic and anticipating a positive outcome.

Thanks again, Willy!

: )

Kevin · 10-25-2010, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by The Hollyberry Lady

You can't say it won't survive with absolute certainty though Kevin...that's what experimenting is all about. Besides that, I do have two plants already.

Yes, I know I'm not certain, but judging by what others have said, it seems very unlikely that the stem would survive. I did say you could experiment with two plants, and see if the stem on one of them survives. I would think it would be much easier to cover the plant without the stem, so I thought that would be a good experiment. Good luck with yours, and let us know how it turns out.

saltydad · 10-25-2010, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by The Hollyberry Lady

I think you might be right but there also might be a misunderstanding...

I'm not really interested in protecting the mother plant so it continues growing next year...just want the roots to survive from year to year and send up new pups. Just like experimenting.

On 2nd thought and because of you Kevin...

I think I'll cut the sucker to the ground and then heavily mulch. Thanks for your thoughts...sounds lower maintenance anyway, which is appealing.

: )

This is exactly what I did with my basjoos for 4 years. I used a foot or two of straw as my mulch. I didn't use a tarp, but it's probably a good idea. You'll love it when they poke up from the rotten mess next spring and with mucho pups!!!

The Hollyberry Lady · 10-25-2010, 09:41 PM

Thanks Howard! I'm so excited about Springtime!

Yup, for sure Kevin, I'll keep you guys posted...

Thanks for all the great advice, Everyone.

: )

willy1der · 10-26-2010, 12:08 PM

This is first year in ground,about the size of your basjoo HBL

and this is 2nd year(mid summer)

The Hollyberry Lady · 10-26-2010, 10:58 PM

Wow Willy, those shots are just gorgeous!

Thanks so much for sharing them. Your plants look so lush and healthy...so perfect looking.

You're getting me excited about mine.

Feel free to post your shots here anytime...

: )

Kevin · 10-26-2010, 11:06 PM

So, when grown from the corm in your climate, how tall does the p-stem get on yours by the time you get it ready for winter?

That second pic looks like you have a whole lot more plants than the year before! Are those all from pups that you divided off and planted separately?

willy1der · 10-27-2010, 01:29 AM

Started with 2 plants with 1 pup each,this spring a total of 13 stems and they range from 3 ft to almost 5ft,nothing divided!!!

HBL-Ill have extra come spring if your corm dont make it (it will).

Kevin · 10-27-2010, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by willy1der

Started with 2 plants with 1 pup each,this spring a total of 13 stems and they range from 3 ft to almost 5ft,nothing divided!!!

HBL-Ill have extra come spring if your corm dont make it (it will).

5 feet of stem in one year!!?? I gotta get me one of those! My Dwarf Orinoco grew a 5 foot stem from last summer, all through the winter inside, and now this summer outside. How can you get that in just one summer? How do you grow it? Fertilizer?

What all is in that pic with the bananas? I see a large clum of banana, then beside it looks almost banana-like, but a bit different, then another banana, and possible a dark Canna?

kaczercat · 10-27-2010, 07:49 PM

Yeah Kevin , you should plant them in the ground and dig for winter if you already dont here is a few pics of mine from this year early June 6-Sept. I got a good 5 feet too.
June 6

Early Sept

I know this isn't a basjoo but i think edibles grow faster. Maybe it's the spot but just my experience.

Kevin · 10-27-2010, 08:56 PM

I'm talking about the actual p-stem - below the last leaf. Mine was 9' tall in total, but a 5' p-stem. Are we talking the same thing? Your picture doesn't look like 5'.

I will try a basjoo sometime. Maybe next year. I have no idea how I would cover it, though. Anything that I am pushing the zone on, I pot up and bury in a hole, then a pile of leaves. What zone are Newmarket and London in? zone 5 or 6? That is really pushing it for here. It could be possible to get a zone 5 to come through, but not a zone 6, and for sure not if I leave it planted in the yard and just cover it.

kaczercat · 10-27-2010, 09:36 PM

well your right the actual p-stem was way less i have measuring issues lol that must have been like 3 and a half feet, i just measured it now and its 4'5 minus a foot cause it started in june at a foot, oh well we can only hope or the best this up coming winter/summer. The location that it's planted in is the biggest thing of coarse along with heat. good luck with urs. oh i have heard plant basjoos beside a house foundation will help. something to do with the heat from the house , i had read it a few places. thats where mine is and is staying.

The Hollyberry Lady · 10-27-2010, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by willy1der

Started with 2 plants with 1 pup each,this spring a total of 13 stems and they range from 3 ft to almost 5ft,nothing divided!!!

HBL-Ill have extra come spring if your corm dont make it (it will).

Just amazing Willy. You obviously know what you're doing by the look of those pics!

So nice of you to offer to replace my Basjoo if it doesn't make it. You're very nice like that and when I first joined the site, you were one of the few members who so kindly and generously offered me a free banana plant!

Think I was just nervous about meeting people from the internet but I still appreciated your offer, way back when.

Kaczercat too, Matt, sent me a beautiful Basjoo and it's the one displayed in my pictures throughout this thread...

Nice shots, by the way Matt.

Your banana plants are really spectacular Willy. It's like a wide grove of them, and that reddish one is a beauty...what is that?

You've really given me a lot of hope that my Basjoos will return next year. Thanks again for your pics and input. Feel free to share more whenever you want. You're in London too and that's what this thread is about...Basjoo's in London.

Kevin...

Underneath my screenname it tells you what zone I'm in...5b.

: )

willy1der · 10-28-2010, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin

5 feet of stem in one year!!?? I gotta get me one of those! My Dwarf Orinoco grew a 5 foot stem from last summer, all through the winter inside, and now this summer outside. How can you get that in just one summer? How do you grow it? Fertilizer?

What all is in that pic with the bananas? I see a large clum of banana, then beside it looks almost banana-like, but a bit different, then another banana, and possible a dark Canna?

Kevin-Lots of water,and all I used was miracle grow,they dont sell any specalized fertilizer here unless I went to the hydroponic shop and paid $$$$$
Beside the basjoo is canna indica(I think)picked the seeds in the dominican and beside that is musella lasiocarpa grown from seed(3yrs old) and some basic esculenta E.E from the asian market.

The Hollyberry Lady · 10-28-2010, 02:29 AM

I feed my banana plants with Blood & Bonemeal and then an organic, water-soluble mixture called DNF (Dutch Nutrient Formula). I buy it from Vantage Hydroponics on Adelaide, Willy. It's not super overpriced but works excellently, and it's organic, in case you're ever interested...

Wondering if anyone has ever noticed after awhile that the signature red vein on the leaves of Basjoo seems to disappear? Is this from not enough sunlight?

: )

willy1der · 10-29-2010, 01:29 AM

I remember vantage hydro when it was on clarke and gore I beleive.Will check it out for sure,

The Hollyberry Lady · 10-30-2010, 02:48 AM

Willy, I noticed in your pics that your Basjoos dont seem to have the signature red vein in the center of your leaves either.

Do you know anything about this and what the cause is because I noticed it on my own plants as well and was curious?

Yes, Vantage Hydroponics has moved now and they in the Adelaide and Hamilton area. I also buy fish emulsion from them and it's fairly inexpensive too.

: )

ShearMe · 10-31-2010, 04:02 PM

Some one spray painted those veins on to trick you. :P

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