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01-15-2010, 10:25 AM | #101 (permalink) |
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Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
i was reading every ones new post and it occurred to me that perhaps and this is speculation on my part that if a specific gene or grouping of gene produce certain chemical environments with in the specified plant then this in and of its self creates a growth environment specific to this plant. if a new grope of cells were introduced in to the donors chemical environment at least on a superficial Level those cells would be affected to some degree in there metabolic and growth patterns would be altered.
for example. one could expect changes to leaf shape or fruit yields timing of fruiting and onset of offspring initiation could also be affected either positively or negatively. as i said this is speculation but it dose have a ring of logic to it. there have been many studies done on both plant and animal cells where by the specific cells were subjected to altered chemical environments. this is the bases for drug studs. applying chemicals to a cell or group of cells and then analyzing how that cell reacts to the new environment. there are almost always some changes. for example one mite expect to see timing rates change, cell wall densities changing + or -, slowing or speeding of metalization rates of reproduction and so on and so forth. it stands to reason that if this graft is made. there is some effect of chemical transfer even if its only in the regions just adjacent to the graft its self. thees cells along the graft will behave inherently differently then the cells that are more distant from the graft. i would think this effect would relate to total cell volume. so there for the younger the graft the grater the effect on the organism in totality. whether this changes either plants life cycle remains to be seen. but i think it imprudent to put forth the supposition that there is no affect this is contrary to logic. I hope this makes sens. being dyslexic makes thees concepts extremely hard for me to convey coherently.
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01-15-2010, 12:07 PM | #102 (permalink) |
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Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
hey mauro keep it up. dont stop your experiments/research untill you are satisfied.
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01-15-2010, 02:30 PM | #103 (permalink) |
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Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
I agree, have fun with your project!
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01-15-2010, 07:03 PM | #104 (permalink) |
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01-15-2010, 08:36 PM | #105 (permalink) | |
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01-15-2010, 11:39 PM | #106 (permalink) |
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Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
I agree Mauro, there is a saying that necessity is the mother of invention. Even when I was a boy I attempted grafting apple branches onto a pear tree for the fun of it and to learn. Maybe something will become of your experiments ? Do not lose heart.
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01-16-2010, 12:11 AM | #107 (permalink) |
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Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
Hey Mauro,
I really like the fruiting papaya plant in your Avatar. Any idea what kind it is?
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01-16-2010, 04:55 AM | #108 (permalink) |
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Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
I had this papaya plant in my yard in Okinawa. I bought the plant at a local nursery. I think it is a hybrid of the Hawaiian papaya which is very sweet. There are many kinds of papayas in Okinawa but they like to eat them green as a vegetable, like the Mexicans eat the chayote. In Brazil we always ate the papaya as a fruit when it is ripe. I think the Okinawans consider the papaya a vegetable, not a fruit. You never see them eating the papaya when it is ripe. Long time ago when I traveled to Manila, Philippines, I always ate the papaya in the morning breakfast with calamansi juice on it. It's delicious. Here in Japan we call the calamansi, Chinese little lemon. It tastes very good. I think Mr. Chong knows the calamansi lemon. I used to travel a lot here in Asia, especially China, but I've never seen the calamansi anywhere outside the Phillipines. Not even in Vietnam.
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01-22-2010, 07:32 PM | #110 (permalink) |
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Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
They are very common here in California because we have both good citrus weather and many immigrants from the Philippines.
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01-22-2010, 07:59 PM | #111 (permalink) |
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Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
It's just like me. I have many citrus fruits from Brazil here in Japan although the climate is too cold for citrus fruits. We Brazilians love the Tahiti Lime, which we call it lemon. In Brazil I've never seen the calamansi little lemon. I do enjoy eating papaya with calamansi juice and watch the sunset at Manila Bay. Someday I'll be back there again. Thanks.
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Re: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
That's not true Mauro, Satsuma mandarins and Yuzu citrus are grown in Japan.
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01-22-2010, 10:54 PM | #113 (permalink) |
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Even still those varieties are very cold tolerant, you ought to try.
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Very interesting, Mauro.
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Hi Jack Daw, you live in a cold country too. I'm a loco man, that means crazy in Spanish. When I started growing bananas in my room it became a banana jungle and my wife almost asked me for a divorce. I have 2 edible varieties which didn't die in the past 5 years. The Lady Finger from Okinawa, Ryukyu Island, which I believe is a sister of the musa liukiuensis, Ito Bashoh, and the Raja Puri from India. The banana pups my brother brought me from Brazil all died during the first winter. Send me your address and I will send you the banana pups next spring. Make sure you plant them in a place where they get enough sunshine all winter. The banana plants like a lot of water in the summer but during the winter they hate moisture. Don't give them any water if possible. Another thing, maybe you should not graft them like me or people may send you to the same mental institution where my wife wants to send me.
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How long did it take before the graft was accepted by basjoo P-stem remnants?
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