r3tic

I just purchased a couple of Glui Kai with the big Agri-Starts order this year. Compared to my other bananas I ordered they are not doing very well. They are about half the size as the other varieties I ordered and rather yellow in color compared to the rest. I have had them all in the same conditions feeding light etc... but they are not doing as well as I think they should be. Any input would be appreciated.

I would also like to know if anyone has any information on this species as the Wiki is blank.

thanks


Plant 1:


Plant 2:

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chong

I don't know if you're bragging or complaining. I had 18 of them and I'm down to 4, and they're only half the size of those two in your post. And they're in the greenhouse. II believe that I even got mine before you did. Mine arrived in early February. I ordered mine directly from Agri-starts. What I found is that these plants do not like being in direct sunlight. At least when they're young and from TC.

To find out about them on the net, try Googling "Musa Kluai Kai". It's the same plant.

Richard

There is a very nice thread about Glui Kai here: What is Glui Kai?

Of the bananas I ordered from AgriStarts, I placed about 1/2 of them so far outdoors, keeping a piece of used window screen above and around them -- about 1 foot away in all directions -- for about 2 weeks. I then removed the sides for a week, and finally the top. They are now all growing robustly.

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harveyc

Mine are growing well. I think I may have lost one but don't remember for sure. I just went out with a flashlight and checked out about 4 of them and they are growing nicely with psuedostems of 12"-14" tall. One has 2 small pups. A couple get some shade in the afternoon while two others get full sun four about six hours in the middle of the day (otherwise shaded some from some taller plants. I have some other cultivars from the same shipment that are smaller and some that are about the same size. I need to get some of these in the ground soon.

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sunfish

I have three from the same order . Went and took a look at them . Doing good.

bigdog

You might also try searches with the spellings "Kluay" and "Khai" mixed in...

Magilla Gorilla

I asked a question in April regarding Kluay Kai and Tog replyied with this.

Andrew, sad to say, you are taking to a lazy, technically ignorant eye-ball turdy grower!
I have never bothered about soil ph from day one in my growing. See below for this...
About your Thai cultivars;
Kluay Kai - Egg 'Naner, is an AAB (I think, Gabe can kick me on this) and is a dessert 'naner. If you have a sweet tooth, this is up your street. Considered by many as the best tasting sweet 'naner. The reason, it's not for the export market is its short shelf life and when it ripens, the skin get thin and clings to the pulp. This happens here as it is hot, over your place, it shouldn't be a problem. The p-stem height is approx 8ft. I love the leaf of this plant as it is a clean semi-gloss on both the upper and lower surface which gives it a clean look. It grows better in a slightly shady environment.
Kluay Nang Phaya - an ABB ciltivar which grows to approx 9ft in p-stem height. You can eat it as a dessert and also cook it. This cultivar is not common.

I didn't get mine from Agristarts and they are growing just fine.

Tog had a wealth of information! I do miss that!

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musaboru

It's more better known as Pisang Mas (the Malaysian and Indonesian name for this cultivar). So use that term for googling also.


The ones I have are also slow growing, maybe it takes a little longer to establish from TC. And I also find that it stands up better in some shade.

Richard

Pisang Mas is a synonym for the Sucrier subgroup of edible Musas, to which Kluai Khai (aka Glui Kai) belongs.

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Caloosamusa

According to FL Agricultural publications Pisang Mas and Nino are the same AA cultivar.

I have both "Nino" and "Glui Kai", from different sources, and they seem to be the same plant in growth habit, "morphologically", and rate. They do not like direct sun for the whole day, and partial shade seems to be prefered by the plants.

Chong, I also started out with 18 from AgrSt and considering your more adverse growing conditions you are doing better than I. I'm down to 6, plus the Nino from a different source.

This data supports the findings of Richard and Chong.

I hope this helps, Good Growing!!

capthof

I bought a Gluay Kai from Excalibur here in Florida; the spelling seems to vary.
It did fine until the cold hit, but from the stump have risen four nice pups.
They do seem to be temperamental; I keep mine out doors zone 10.
They have yet to fruit.
Scott

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Caloosamusa

Capt. Hof,

I have half of my Glui Kai in the ground, Half are in pots. I will be transplanting the potted ones to my farm location. I'm in Zone 10 on the west coast of FL (South to Hwy 80 & west from your location).

Good Growing!!

Bob

Glui, Kluay,(pooey!) as a side note a Viet Namese girl I work with pronounces banana "Djui" . I think a lot of the names are similar but mean the same.

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musaboru

The Thais consider Kluai Khai and Pisang Mas to be the same variety.

Btw, if you guys want to follow standard romanization, then it is Kluai Khai (pronounced like glu~ai kai). But that is not to say that it is correct--if it was registered as a cultivar under a different romanization then you would need to use that spelling which it was registered as, but I don't know it. I think Glui Kai is a name that got passed on by one person who did not romanize it the standard way. And now, many banana growers are using it.

Richard

Perhaps in the general public, just like here in the U.S. the general public considers Cavendish to be "banana" and those other funny colored and shaped bananas to be "plantains".

Thailand has a reputable Musa research facility and germplasm repository. The folks there are much more careful with nomenclature. A partial list of their holdings can be found in the international MGIS database: http://195.220.148.3:8013/mgis_2/homepage.htm

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banfan

I've been busy with mango sales for the past month and hadn't paid attention to my Agri Starts Kluai Khai plants until today after reading this thread yesterday. Most of the ones in pots are not too spiffy looking and a few have died. I moved them all into a more shady area hoping it will help. Thanks to all on this thread for your helpful input.

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r3tic

I just returned home from a weekend trip. During the time I was gone I moved all my potted plants to the east side of the house to keep them from drying out while I was gone. In that time my both glui kai(or however you would like to spell it) have greened up noticeably and seem to be much happier.

Thanks to everyone!

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enigma99a

I have one in full sun that looks about the same size as yours. So I think you are doing OK

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