genetically modified bananas are here - Page 3

harveyc · 10-31-2008, 09:51 AM

Pauly, I'm not aware of any GM tomato on the market today. Flavr Saver was a GM tomato that was brought to market in the 80s but flopped. The problem with most tomatoes bought in the market is that they are picked green and then stored for many months. They were busy picking these green tomatoes earlier this month (the largest portion of these grown in the U.S. is in the county to the south of me).

The sterility issue you've brought up is unrelated to this discussion, but my understanding of the problem is that it's primarily related due to high estrogen levels in the drinking water supply of many parts of the country. It gets there from women taking birth control pills and once it's in our water, it cannot be easily removed.

momoese · 10-31-2008, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by harveyc

The problem with most tomatoes bought in the market is that they are picked green and then stored for many months. They were busy picking these green tomatoes earlier this month (the largest portion of these grown in the U.S. is in the county to the south of me).

I think it also has to do with the varieties they grow and how they are grown. I'd be willing to bet that a Cherokee Purple grown in real live soil and then picked green and stored until ripe would have twice the flavor of the box tomatoes available in the grocery markets. They just like growing box tomatoes for their shipability,(is that a word?) bug and disease resistance.

bepah · 10-31-2008, 12:02 PM

That bit about infant mortality rates is a bit outrageous.....do you have documentation? Statements like that need to be backed up.

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Originally Posted by damaclese

as a chef i am vary familiar with all kinds of produce and how it taste what its textures are like and how it cooks one thing that i feel is a negative are GM Tomato's there not as good as the natural one there hard tasteless and are difficult to get to brake down in a sous I've also read and i don't know if this is still true as this was at least 10 years a go that nutritionally they lack many enzymes that Natural tomatoes have and are also low in Potassium if that still holds true why bother sure they last along time and hardly rot even over a 4 week period but if they taste bad why grow them and lastly i don't want to eat any thing thats been sprayed with roundup or any other kind of herbicide/pesticides thees are Poisons and they do get in to your body test any American for them and they are present they cant be washed of they penetrate the foods them selfs and just why do you think that THE USA has the Highest infant Mortality Rate In the Western World even higher then Bangladesh India DOHHHHH Greed and a Lack of Moral fiber

PS and this mite be of interest to the Guys why are American males Sterile at rats higher then any other Country its really an Epidemic if you look at the stats thees have been increasing dramatical over the last 2 decades

bepah · 10-31-2008, 12:13 PM

Here is a list of infant mortality rate for many countries in the world for 2007.

As you can see, the Bangladesh rate is nearly 10 times the US rate.

Please be careful of what 'facts' you state, people will stop believing anything you say.

Infant Mortality and Life Expectancy for Selected Countries, 2007 — Infoplease.com

harveyc · 10-31-2008, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by momoese

I think it also has to do with the varieties they grow and how they are grown. I'd be willing to bet that a Cherokee Purple grown in real live soil and then picked green and stored until ripe would have twice the flavor of the box tomatoes available in the grocery markets. They just like growing box tomatoes for their shipability,(is that a word?) bug and disease resistance.

Mitchel, I don't know that any tomato picked green will taste much better than another one that is also picked green. It's sort of like betting that your Porsche can handle better than my pickup, each with two wheels missing!

Picked ripe, many of the varieties available in markets are definitely inferior in taste as they have been bred mostly to withstanding shipping (shipability is okay, I guess) and also disease resistance. I don't know of any that are bred to resist insects, but maybe insects prefer tasty tomatoes over poor tasting ones??? lol

I am trying to grow tomatoes in my greenhouse this year to avoid resorting to store bought tomatoes that are a waste of time and money. Last year I failed as I discovered I needed a much bigger pot - a 5 gallon pot quickly became rootbound and this year I'm using half of a 50 gallon barrel. When I did a tomato nutrient deficiency study in college (in the late 70s) me and my partner used hydroponics and the tomato was in about a 2 gallon bucket so I thought I could get by with a smaller pot, but I guess I would need to water and fertilize it several times a day to make it work.

momoese · 10-31-2008, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by harveyc

Mitchel, I don't know that any tomato picked green will taste much better than another one that is also picked green. It's sort of like betting that your Porsche can handle better than my pickup, each with two wheels missing!

I think this calls for some experimenting next season! Save your loose change, your gonna need it!

paradisi · 10-31-2008, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by turtile

Did you know that organic corn is sprayed with the Bt protein? It is used as an organic pesticide.

not in australia

and here's alink to more about GM products

Permaculture Research Institute of Australia » The Failures of Genetically Modified Crops Continue

and it looks as though there are no missouri and arkansas rice farmers on bananas.org - - the link above explains many are having a lot of trouble with contaminated rice (onya monsanto) - - the rice farmers biggest markets are in japan where GM anything is not wanted or accepted.

harveyc · 10-31-2008, 06:16 PM

Leave it to Pauly, he's wishing things would rot in his refrigerator a bit faster! Just joking...

Sodak · 10-31-2008, 06:30 PM

I'll be the first to put in my order for a zone 5 hardy Musa Ingens that glows in the dark!

Fantastic!

Chironex · 10-31-2008, 09:20 PM

harveyc · 11-01-2008, 12:52 AM

Pauly, you got my interest up. I've been looking through that big pdf document and see infant mortality rates dropped fairly evenly from about 20/1,000 in 1970 to 12.6/1,000 in 1980 and continued to decline to 6.79/1,000 in 2004 when that report was prepared (see page 94) . That all seems like what one would expect with the improvement in medical care over the years. But I don't see anything to compare these rates to Bangladesh, etc.

I do believe I've heard something to the effect that the USA has one of the highest infant mortality rates of industrialized countries, but I'm not too confident of my memory on that one.

Peace,

Harvey

Bananaman88 · 11-04-2008, 02:00 PM

Paradisi,

My wife does rice research, but she does conventional breeding. I don't think they do any GMO work.

10-31-2008, 09:51 AM	#41 (permalink)
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harveyc Been nuts, gone bananas harveyc's Photo Gallery Location: Isleton, Calif Find me on the map! Zone: 9b Name: Harvey Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 5,119 BananaBucks : 305,136 Feedback: 5 / 100% Said "Thanks" 6,025 Times Was Thanked 4,460 Times in 1,896 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1,785 Times	Re: genetically modified bananas are here Pauly, you got my interest up. I've been looking through that big pdf document and see infant mortality rates dropped fairly evenly from about 20/1,000 in 1970 to 12.6/1,000 in 1980 and continued to decline to 6.79/1,000 in 2004 when that report was prepared (see page 94) . That all seems like what one would expect with the improvement in medical care over the years. But I don't see anything to compare these rates to Bangladesh, etc. I do believe I've heard something to the effect that the USA has one of the highest infant mortality rates of industrialized countries, but I'm not too confident of my memory on that one. Peace, Harvey __________________ Last edited by harveyc : 11-01-2008 at 11:13 AM.

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