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Old 08-13-2018, 05:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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I dont know if there is any way you can tell how close a banana is to flowering? this Iholena (was marked that) is a little taller then 6 foot and I am wandering if it will fruit in time before winter, not sure what I'll do if it fruits. (Or if it doesn't) Haven't really noticed the pstem getting thick like the Cavendish does. But was wandering what height these might fruit at in general (if its an Iholena)

I still have not figured out how to make that the pictures show.

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I haven't grown the Iholena, so I can't tell you and I don't find that info in reference to the Iholena. However, your picture does not match that of an Iholena or its variances. The pstem should have some streaks of purple and pink; and the cigar & young leafs should have a bronze tint on the underside. ... I don't see any of those in your picture. I think you may have an Orinoco there.


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... this Iholena (was marked that) is a little taller then 6 foot ...
Out here in southern-most California (coastal San Diego) we see Iholena fruiting at 8-10 foot pstem height.
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[quote]The pstem should have some streaks of purple and pink; and the cigar & young leafs should have a bronze tint on the underside.

I have not noticed any pink on the pstem but the new leaves definitely have bronze tint, the picture is kinda hard to see, I am not saying it is a Iholena but it would have that trait.

Thanks Richard! As I feared I still have a few more feet to go, (if ive got an Iholena)ut they are amazing fast growers i put 2 footer into the ground May 15 and it is basically the same size as the one on this banana.


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The pstem should have some streaks of purple and pink; and the cigar & young leafs should have a bronze tint on the underside.

I have not noticed any pink on the pstem but the new leaves definitely have bronze tint, the picture is kinda hard to see, I am not saying it is a Iholena but it would have that trait.

Thanks Richard! As I feared I still have a few more feet to go, (if ive got an Iholena)ut they are amazing fast growers i put 2 footer into the ground May 15 and it is basically the same size as the one on this banana.





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thanks. I have a iholena tc I bought from baker creek that has the brownish/bronze tint. I thought the brown tint on the cigar leaf was a bit of sunburn. poor thing had a bad start this year. black grasshoppers nearly razed her to the ground when I was off for a week. had another one beside that did not come back. shame. but she is pupping.

the bronze tint might depend on which variety of iholena? and the red tint might show when they get bigger?



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The pstem should have some streaks of purple and pink; and the cigar & young leafs should have a bronze tint on the underside.

I have not noticed any pink on the pstem but the new leaves definitely have bronze tint, the picture is kinda hard to see, I am not saying it is a Iholena but it would have that trait.

Thanks Richard! As I feared I still have a few more feet to go, (if ive got an Iholena)ut they are amazing fast growers i put 2 footer into the ground May 15 and it is basically the same size as the one on this banana.


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I believe the picture is showing the topside of the leaf. The tint should be on the backside and normally fades away after a few weeks. Also. the leaf edge should have a pinkish/reddish color that continues down the pedoite petiole erect margin to the pstem. ... The leaf topside should be a lighter (pale) green.
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I am not trying to say it is a Iholena but this picture was the underside of the leaf, i can go take a clear picture if you'd want to see it and I did see some light pink streaks on the pstem of some of the half grown pups (its sister)
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No need. I was looking at the large leaf in the middle and the two smaller leaves above and to the right. ... I hope you do have a iholena. ... Is the petiole canal open or closed?
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I dont know if there is any way you can tell how close a banana is to flowering? this Iholena (was marked that) is a little taller then 6 foot and I am wandering if it will fruit in time before winter, not sure what I'll do if it fruits. (Or if it doesn't) Haven't really noticed the pstem getting thick like the Cavendish does. But was wandering what height these might fruit at in general (if its an Iholena)

I still have not figured out how to make that the pictures show.

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Common to most all Bananas is that the leaf spacing will get noticeably closer & stacked when the pstem is at its proper height. Some other member call it the 'crown'. (Took me a bit to figure out what was meant by the crown.) ... The pstam base will then get thicker & bulging causing the outer leaf sheaf's to pull away from the pstem. These are the first signs that a flower is on it's way.


I had about 10 nana's last fall that showed all the signs, but no flag, when they froze to the ground.
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I am not sure how to tell if they are open or closed? Had seen a post how to tell but couldn't find it fast. This was a young plant so don't know if it is different then the old ones, the tall one was to high to take s picture but did look more open than this one.

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Have you ever dug up a banana with fruit or right before fruiting? Just curious because I plan to basically dig up all the ones that are planted outside.
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Open pediote channel is like a 'U'; closed channel is 'O'. Then there are the 'wings'; which are the thin edge of the channel. They stand up or lay out flat.


The iholena channel is open with the wings standing and slight red edge.. The Orinoce channel is closed.


I don't dig up my plant for dry root storage, so I can't help with that question. May be someone else will.
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Sarah,

I checked your pic and those are open petioles.
I have one of these too. AgriStart has them listed so they are probably the same clones.
I checked Lessard's book and he writes about the dwarf Iholena (Haa Haa):

"The Haa Haa grows to six to seven feet. It has a faint hint of burgundy color beneath the leaf and a definite line on only one margin of the bottom of each leaf."

Mine is hitting 6 feet now and pumped out a bunch of pups in the last few months (none before). This is my first Iholena too.
I'm hoping to see my bananas emerge as yellow and ripen to orange on this one soon!

Lessard also wrote that they are not cold hardy. Mine did survive our 2 deep freezes we got here in Pasco Co FL this year.

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Thanks edwmax for explaining the difference.

Thanks Todd for checking, I sure hope to get fruit as well this year than it might be able to be identified for sure.
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Visual descriptions are going to make a much greater impact. Here are 3 varieties showing the petioles closed, partially open, and open which is the description for each of these varieties from the USDA website. IMO partially open is just as good as open.
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Ha'a Ha'a is extinct as far as I know.
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Rob is correct these are not Musa Haa Haa. These are Musa Iholena iholena. Aka dwarf white iholena. I have 3 from all 3 sources. So far they grow way slower than I had hoped. By the looks of my plants, I’m thinking they will fruit around 9-10’

Sarah.... so far yours looks like a possible dwarf iholena.
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I sure hope to get fruit this year and then maybe it can be identified for sure, the mom plant is 7+ feet haven't measured it, its in a pot so it looks really really tall. I'll post pictures if i ever get fruit.
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I am pretty sure this is the pre flag leaf!
Its somewhere around 9 or 10 feet tall.

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The flower is slowly coming out (this picture is a few days old already) we had 43˚ a week or two ago so that probably really knocked it back. Can't wait till the flower opens and I can get it identified.

I've got time right now so I'm experimenting how to make my photos show up instead of a link.

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This picture was taken this afternoon.
I'm now experimenting on the computer.
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