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Old 03-08-2016, 09:23 PM   #21 (permalink)
 
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Default Re: Florida Orinoco history ???

I've never been to either of those states. It is just so strange how you can find these things in the middle of nowhere. I have 4 samples now. One was collected from a forest and seems to get only 7 feet tall. The one I collected today 12 feet and the saltmarsh one I collected has measured 16 feet. The history is in my imagination. Spanish trading with native americans in the 1600s maybe. Maybe orinoco is more than a single form of plant. This all peaks my curiosity.
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Who needs GMO when plants mod themselves all by themselves? My 2 "by the road" finds are tall and were collected within 200' of each other so I suspect they're the result of pups shared within the same neighborhood. Obviously I need to get out more. Now that I have wheels again (sweet little 93 Ranger with new clutch, brakes, water pump, battery and only 95,600 miles), I've been traveling more than 6 miles from home. Guess I should buy that spare shovel and tuck it in her bed...just in case...
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From articles I've found in the past, bananas where introduced to Florida in the 16th century, definitely post European-American exchange, likely by Spanish and Portugese. I suspect that a few different cultivars were introduced initially, and that since Orinoco is hardy and resilient, it's stuck around relatively well with minimal management. As for the cultivar itself and the Bluggoe ABB subgroup, it's is from Asia like most banana subgroups and is not originally from anywhere associated with the Orinoco river in South America, but is certainly grown there as well as most places bananas grow. There are many other common names for this banana including: Bluggoe, Largo, Chamaluco, Burro, Cachaco and many others.
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Old 03-08-2016, 11:30 PM   #24 (permalink)
 
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I don't get to south Florida much but when I do I try to find cool things. Seems like every county around me has cool plants and plant sales but mine.
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It is everywhere due to its hardiness. Years from now there might be someone online talking about how so many people have Nam Wah. There was a small banana industry in Florida centered around dwarf cavendish in the early part of the 20th century.

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Good finds. Your better than me at finding it.
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I've been at it for a long while.
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I bought one banana plant in Tulsa Oklahoma 53 years ago. Had no clue what kind it was and didn't care. Since I joined the Org. it has been identified as an Orinoco. I have given away hundreds. I have over wintered bare rooted ever since. The offspring have been with me since the beginning. This banana has been the hardiest I have seen yet. My understanding is that at this variety was one of the few available at that time. I have never had any issues with bugs, fungus, too wet, too dry, rot, or anything else no thanks to me. About to set them out again this year. Every body needs one! Just my two sents.
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I bought one banana plant in Tulsa Oklahoma 53 years ago. Had no clue what kind it was and didn't care. Since I joined the Org. it has been identified as an Orinoco. I have given away hundreds. I have over wintered bare rooted ever since. The offspring have been with me since the beginning. This banana has been the hardiest I have seen yet. My understanding is that at this variety was one of the few available at that time. I have never had any issues with bugs, fungus, too wet, too dry, rot, or anything else no thanks to me. About to set them out again this year. Every body needs one! Just my two sents.
Yes Al, and I have one of those Orinocos and its 8 pups. This plant has shown more growth so far this spring than my Basjoo. I love this plant!
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Old 03-14-2016, 09:35 PM   #30 (permalink)
 
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This fruit .comes from old Crystal River stock. Plants are very skinny and 12 feet tall. Flowers are small and fruits are very small and very sweet. Ultra hardy. One of my favorites.


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Old 03-14-2016, 09:37 PM   #31 (permalink)
 
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This fruit has thick hard skin and is from a Rutland Florida homestead. Gets 7 feet. Plants were collected before the land was demolished.
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Old 03-14-2016, 09:41 PM   #32 (permalink)
 
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This is the beast. 16 feet. Typical orinoco fruit. Backyard collected.
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I still have others to go get.
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Wow! now that's an "Orinoco".
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I love my Orinocos, I opened the crawlspace today and looked at em, I waved and said night night lol
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They really are great bananas.
The first to leaf out, and they fruit reliably. And they taste good.
I harvest the leaves for my goats and pigs, because they are such
Fast growers.
I'm not sure where they came from, but you can find them in deep
Swamp to every ditch around the corner. So I'm sure that the history
Behind them gos back way before they were just ornamental to igits.
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These plants are the most reliable to flower and produce cute inedible fruit of the banana plants I have.
I really do think this plant is a good starter banana plant for a novice because it can withstand alot of "stuff"
And this is in zone 6.
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These plants are the most reliable to flower and produce cute inedible fruit of the banana plants I have.
I really do think this plant is a good starter banana plant for a novice because it can withstand alot of "stuff"
And this is in zone 6.
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Are those the nasty orinoco I talked about before?


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Are those the nasty orinoco I talked about before?
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Are those the nasty orinoco I talked about before?


Lol.... Yes, they make great filler plants up here in the valley.

This is as good as it usually gets before the first frost.
Like clockwork the plant will usually flag in late July.

These are the old school nasty variety ..
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Thats cool. Im learning here.
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