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Old 03-29-2011, 05:08 PM   #61 (permalink)
 
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It is hard to understand why he would attempt the deception given that other folks who sell banana plants post openly here and there is no rule against doing that. I'm kind of bummed really. As I said, the plants he sent me were nice for the price and he has a very wide selection. But seriously, posting under the same username as the email address for your business when you are trying to pretend that it's not your business?!
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Old 03-29-2011, 05:11 PM   #62 (permalink)
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i was seriously wondering about the guy.. i was wondering if anyone else had any issues with him or it was just me.. after seeing this, i don't think he can even acknowledge wrong doing on his part. . my first dealing with him i was thinking this is a person with dissociative personality disorder. i was trying to resolve an issue with him then next thing you know im talking to "different people" who had no idea about what was going on. i think this is a one person operation(just him). i could be wrong.

the Shawn personality was OK to deal with..the buell racing personality is off his meds.

i don't see why he couldn't just say ok guys i have a nursery and i would like for you to buy from me.. its simple,no big deal.. there are a few people on this site with nurseries.. if he owned a certain south GA nursery he would have reason in not wanting to admit ownership. i don't get it.

i think he/she has lots of these identities so i would be careful..
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Geesh! Talk about shooting your self in the foot!
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Right, he was more than welcome to say "Hey this is my nursery and I am here to answer all your questions and hopefully earn your business as a customer".. but after parading as he did and flat out being a jerk I was faced with no other choice. So, we nipped it in the bud before more problems and oddities started to surface. On with the snake oil peddling, shall we? ?
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Right, he was more than welcome to say "Hey this is my nursery and I am here to answer all your questions and hopefully earn your business as a customer".. but after parading as he did and flat out being a jerk I was faced with no other choice. So, we nipped it in the bud before more problems and oddities started to surface. On with the snake oil peddling, shall we? ?
Hey Jarred.

I was just readin old threads, the eric/seaner one. there have been a few crazies on here. what a thread this was ! ohh btw I hope you dont mind me asking but why was Lorax banned? I just saw a post from a thread in 2009.
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Hey Bo. Glad to hear you are back home. Shame your bananas are looking rough. Thanks for the laugh that was a good one!
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Hey James, I thought you would like that, he he
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Matt, she was initially hired as the editor of our magazine. All went good for the first few issues. She combined #3 and #4 into one issue for some reason. Then when we got ready for Volume 2 she tried to steal the entire operation: the name of the magazine, the membership, images and content for her spawned attempt, etc.. The list goes on. She had the gusto and went as far as diverting the magazine payments to her account instead of ours. And if that wasnt bad enough, not even delivering to the buyers. The list goes on. Lorax (Beth) is also a liar and a crooked thief, two-faced and probably two-headed as well. She was a good friend at first and turned to be a snake in the grass. Good riddance to her as well. Poo
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Well, this has been an interesting thread. BTW, Tony (Sunfish), Spring Hill and Florida Hill are two different operations. Spring Hill appears, sometimes, in the ads here. Over the years, I've heard decidedly mixed reviews about them, also.
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john he was saying to look at the last comment on that thread it's by our buddy buellracing...posing as a customer again and deceiving more people!
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Thanks, Nate. Missed that first time around.
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I remember ordering from Spring Hill many years ago. When I got the plants in the mail, I would say that 95% of them were moldy, or dead and I think some were even missing the plants that were inside the container. I remember I got one plant that all that it was was a very small root attached to a very small piece of stem. I'm talking less than 1/8" here. The rest of the plants died. I never got a refund from them even after sending pictures of what was recevied.

My neighbor had ordered from them as well last year. It was a larger order that arrived in March, which up here in Buffalo, is still technically winter as the ground was still frozen and unworkable. By the time Apri got here, just about everything was dead except 1 foxglove and 3 other small prennials. The three rose bushes that she got were dried up. I put them in a bucket of water for her, just in case. But they just rotted.

After my experience I'll never order from them. Most of the mail order places like Springhill I think are clearing houses for plants that weren't sold the year before. So they try to sell them again.

Even Wayside, who use to be a good source of plants went down the drain as well. It's so dissappointing.
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You get what you pay for. With both of these sellers, you are getting TC plants and IMO are not particularly vigorous no matter what. Especially when they are grown in puny containers. It's just as bad if they have been there for months are are extremely root bound or still have a weak root system. In my experience, they require extra care and attention or else they can die on you.

Hi,

been lurking here for a bit, trying to read as many threads here as I can. This one kind of caught my attention as I was curious about this vendor.

I chose to reply to this post as my very first post here because of the above quoted text.

I have noticed what seems like a 'mistrust' of plants grown by TC here, just the tone of a few posts I've come across.

I'd have to disagree with the assertion that TC plants are any less vigorous than dirt grown pups, cuttings seeds etc. In fact it has been my experience that TC plants can produce amazing growth and vigor if simple steps are taken when you get them. I have many thousands of TC plants, and if acclimated properly, key word being properly, TC plants are no different than other plants. In fact I personally prefer TC raised plants as they avoid numerous diseases out there in the hobby. I heard something along the lines of 80% of orchids tested have a rather nasty virus that gets the orchid people worried.

I've heard the same with numerous types of houseplants. I know a grower that lost a substantial volume of some of their houseplants of a couple genera due to disease. Cuttings and pups from diseased plants are still diseased.

TC plants don't require months to adapt to 'normal' conditions. Some very light care of new plants from a vendor is all that is required. a week or two indoors is usually sufficient. I keep new plants in a temperature controlled space, mist frequently, and of course pot 'up' to an appropriately sized container on arrival.

Now in the sake of full disclosure, yes I am a dealer. And yes, I deal in TC plants.

I actually got into plants as an offshoot of raising Dart Frogs. I really had no interest in plants initially, but once I started 'landscaping' my terrariums, things kind of spiraled out of control, and next thing I knew I had everything from jewel Orchids to trees.
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Hi,

been lurking here for a bit, trying to read as many threads here as I can. This one kind of caught my attention as I was curious about this vendor.

I chose to reply to this post as my very first post here because of the above quoted text.

I have noticed what seems like a 'mistrust' of plants grown by TC here, just the tone of a few posts I've come across.

I'd have to disagree with the assertion that TC plants are any less vigorous than dirt grown pups, cuttings seeds etc. In fact it has been my experience that TC plants can produce amazing growth and vigor if simple steps are taken when you get them. I have many thousands of TC plants, and if acclimated properly, key word being properly, TC plants are no different than other plants. In fact I personally prefer TC raised plants as they avoid numerous diseases out there in the hobby. I heard something along the lines of 80% of orchids tested have a rather nasty virus that gets the orchid people worried.

I've heard the same with numerous types of houseplants. I know a grower that lost a substantial volume of some of their houseplants of a couple genera due to disease. Cuttings and pups from diseased plants are still diseased.

TC plants don't require months to adapt to 'normal' conditions. Some very light care of new plants from a vendor is all that is required. a week or two indoors is usually sufficient. I keep new plants in a temperature controlled space, mist frequently, and of course pot 'up' to an appropriately sized container on arrival.

Now in the sake of full disclosure, yes I am a dealer. And yes, I deal in TC plants.

I actually got into plants as an offshoot of raising Dart Frogs. I really had no interest in plants initially, but once I started 'landscaping' my terrariums, things kind of spiraled out of control, and next thing I knew I had everything from jewel Orchids to trees.
I concur with your assertions on the viability and adaptability of TC plants. However, adaptation of a week or two is a bit of a stretch. I've grown hundreds of TC'd bananas, and dozens and dozens of pups, and found that the pups grow faster than the TCs. Now, mind you, I talking about growing them in pots in a greenhouse, since I live in Seattle, WA. Growing TCs in controlled environment would definitely increase their viability and adaptability. But not everyone has this luxury. On the other hand, pups can take a certain amount of abuse that would otherwise destroy TC'd banana seedlings.

In regards to diseased plants, again, I would concur. This is where the TCs have an advantage over field grown pups. However, diseases of bananas are not prevalent in the USA(mainland) grown bananas, so that the risk of diseases are minimal.

I'm not saying one is better than the other. And I would again concur that berating TC plants is inappropriate. I would say that TCs and separated pups have advantages and disadvantages. Although, I would agree with those who claim that pups would bear fruit faster than TC plants.
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I concur with your assertions on the viability and adaptability of TC plants. However, adaptation of a week or two is a bit of a stretch. I've grown hundreds of TC'd bananas, and dozens and dozens of pups, and found that the pups grow faster than the TCs. Now, mind you, I talking about growing them in pots in a greenhouse, since I live in Seattle, WA. Growing TCs in controlled environment would definitely increase their viability and adaptability. But not everyone has this luxury. On the other hand, pups can take a certain amount of abuse that would otherwise destroy TC'd banana seedlings.

To clarify here.......

A grower, for sake of discussion we will use Agri-Starts as our example since they were mentioned previously.... and we all know that is where the vendor who was the subject of the thread gets his plants...

Anyways, the grower/lab will put their plants through a hardening off period before they sell them to a distributor. Usually a minimum of two weeks. A number I find works perfectly well for many species, in my case Jewel Orchids.

By the time the hobbyist gets the plants, they have been out of culture, out of the lab, and out of any specialized humidity enclosures for an average of at least 3 weeks. Longer if you are getting a plant advertised as being 6-16 inches.

For the end user just receiving plants from a dealer, like the first post I responded to, The end user/customer taking a two week period so as to take extra care in acclimating their new plants, combined with the time they have already been out in a greenhouse/grow house should in MOST cases be more than sufficient.
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Although individuals with NPD are often ambitious and capable, the inability to tolerate setbacks, disagreements or criticism, along with lack of empathy, make it difficult for such individuals to work cooperatively with others or to maintain long-term professional achievements.[11] With narcissistic personality disorder, the individual's self-perceived fantastic grandiosity, often coupled with a hypomanic mood, is typically not commensurate with his or her real accomplishments.

The exploitativeness, sense of entitlement, lack of empathy, disregard for others, and constant need for attention inherent in NPD adversely affect interpersonal relationships.

People who are diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder use splitting as a central defense mechanism. They do this to preserve their self-esteem, by seeing the self as purely good and the others as purely bad. The use of splitting also implies the use of other defense mechanisms, namely devaluation, idealization and denial. -wiki
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ok i said he probably has a personality disorder and yeah its probably not dpd but in fact npd is more likely..

if you have bought from this guy before and you haven't had any problems dont let this incident affect your decision to buy from him. despite a little friction between the two of us concerning his social skills?? he's not as bad as some of the nurseries i have dealt with in the past...
i see a few people are commenting on a thread praising the nursery and his service.. go right ahead. truthfully him being removed was probably necessary, but i wish this whole thing would not have happened... i tried to warn him but it seems he was too far gone.

i dont know how everyone else feels about having an extreme narcissist on the board. i really dont think i would be bothered by him knowing his situation and that its probably not intentional. others may feel it would create lots of friction here .
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I've ordered a couple times and have had no problems. All of the bananas are still alive. So is the loquat. I bought 3 elephant ears, only 1 is growing, but I was told if they did not go dormant but DOA, that they would be replaced.
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I totally agree Ron, I am one who has bought tons of product from him, and still do, and was wondering why in hell he was touting his business as a very loyal customer. His behavior was totally unprofessional and bush league.
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