Fixing micronutrient deficiency - Page 2

PR-Giants · 07-22-2012, 08:14 PM

Simply by adding grass clippings to your soil will fix a micronutrient deficiency.
Boron and manganese are the two micronutrients most susceptible to leaching,
A micronutrient deficiency can be avoided simply by adding new organics to your soil.

venturabananas · 07-22-2012, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammocked Banana

Are there any pics of this "deficiency"?

You can find some pictures here (or search this website):https://sites.google.com/site/scotne...-image-gallery

caliboy1994 · 07-22-2012, 11:17 PM

I'll post some pics once I get home on Wednesday, I'm out of town at the moment.

Hammocked Banana · 07-23-2012, 09:22 PM

Ya I have a pretty good idea of what deficiencies look like in bananas, but more so it is just generalized to plants in general, because living in Canada I havent seen many banana plants in person besides mine and the rare oportunities I get to travel. I have spent a lot of time identifiying what deficiencies look like in bananas using various sources because only having 4 months of prime growing season the nanners gotta be in top form to get max growth out of them. After he posts pics, hopefully everyone can help get caliboy's plants back to top form, and maybe I can learn something in the process.

caliboy1994 · 07-25-2012, 03:43 PM

I got home and took some pics today. The plants with micronutrient problems are Ice Cream and Mysore. Note that Mysore is also displaying BSV symptoms.

Ice Cream:

Mysore:

Nicolas Naranja · 07-25-2012, 07:51 PM

Do you have any idea what the pH of your soil is?

caliboy1994 · 07-25-2012, 10:05 PM

I have no idea

I should get it tested. Given that I'm living in a dry area, it's probably on the high side.

caliboy1994 · 07-26-2012, 06:55 PM

I just bought some fertilizer with plenty of micronutrients in it today. The ingredients are:

20% Total nitrogen
20% Available phosphoric acid
20% Soluble potash
.02% Boron (B)
.05% Chelated copper (Cu)
.10% Chelated iron (Fe)
.05% Chelated manganese (Mn)
.0005% Molybdenum (Mo)
.05% Chelated zinc (Zn)

If I use foliar spray, how much would you recommend I dissolve in a gallon of water?

Also note that I will be fertilizing with Milorganite as well.

caliboy1994 · 07-26-2012, 07:11 PM

Does it look like calcium deficiency, boron deficiency, or both?

venturabananas · 07-26-2012, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caliboy1994

Does it look like calcium deficiency, boron deficiency, or both?

Could be either based on the pictures. Get your soil and maybe the leaves tested.

RandyGHO · 07-27-2012, 05:25 AM

Although I am new to bananas, I have noticed a similar problem when I pushed too much fertilizer but after doing more digging, I think my fertilizer rates were okay but my water rates were too low. Then a low pH might have made it more difficult for the plant to get what it needs from the soil.

What I am learning is bananas can grow so fast, a well rounded program is needed to take advantage of that. I read too that the quality of the first four months of a plants life determines the quantity and quality of the fruit.

caliboy1994 · 07-30-2012, 03:56 PM

I just threw down some Milorganite and cocoa mulch, and gave it some foliar and root feeding with my new 20-20-20 fertilizer. Hopefully this helps!

PR-Giants · 07-31-2012, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caliboy1994

I just threw down some Milorganite and cocoa mulch, and gave it some foliar and root feeding with my new 20-20-20 fertilizer. Hopefully this helps!

Wow thats sounds great !!!

It appears you are well on your way to solving that micronutrient deficiency problem.

What were the results of your ph test?

I had thought the final solution was going to be 40-20-30 w/ SBBB water.

caliboy1994 · 07-31-2012, 01:02 PM

I haven't tested my soil pH. I'll look into buying a pH tester online so that I can do tests myself.

caliboy1994 · 08-15-2012, 03:13 PM

Now the leaves aren't coming out really deformed, they're just coming out a really light green color, almost yellow, and then take while to turn to their normal green color.

Abnshrek · 08-15-2012, 03:16 PM

Mine are coming out almost white then change.. once opened up but doesn't have a problem on any leaves. Its not an Ice Cream, but a D. Orinoco. :^)

venturabananas · 08-15-2012, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by caliboy1994

Now the leaves aren't coming out really deformed, they're just coming out a really light green color, almost yellow, and then take while to turn to their normal green color.

You are getting the problem corrected then. That is the progression: from deformed, to not deformed but very pale, to normal. Good work.

caliboy1994 · 08-15-2012, 05:08 PM

Oh, that's good then!

They're just paler than they used to be though. I added 1 and a half tablespoons of banana fuel to each plant in a gallon of water. Hopefully that doesn't offset it.

Abnshrek · 08-15-2012, 05:12 PM

A lil mag sulfate (epsom salts) will green them up.. :^)

caliboy1994 · 08-15-2012, 05:19 PM

The Milorganite has lots of iron in it, that should help too.

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caliboy1994 <div style="font-style: italic;"><div style="font-style: italic;"></div></div> caliboy1994's Photo Gallery Location: SFV, California Find me on the map! Zone: USDA zone 10a; Sunset zone 18/19 Name: Andreas Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 2,301 BananaBucks : 250,729 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 1,474 Times Was Thanked 2,196 Times in 1,148 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 236 Times	Re: Fixing micronutrient deficiency Oh, that's good then! They're just paler than they used to be though. I added 1 and a half tablespoons of banana fuel to each plant in a gallon of water. Hopefully that doesn't offset it. __________________ "The ultimate goal of farming is not the growing of crops, but the cultivation and perfection of human beings." ~ Masanobu Fukuoka Find me on linktree here as Solarpunk Farmer: https://linktr.ee/solarpunkfarmer

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