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Old 09-05-2008, 09:16 AM   #21 (permalink)
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A+ job, Randy! You should know within a few weeks whether or not you have seeds forming. The bananas will start to swell up. If not successful, they won't grow at all, and probably fall off after a month or 2. They can take a LONG time to ripen (many months), so just be prepared for that. I don't know about siamensis in particular though. I do know that Hayes in Anniston said that his in-ground siamensis came back vigorously this spring! Keep us updated on the progress of the bananas.

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They say not much pollen is needed, but I'd put on as much as you have on hand. There should be exactly one pollen grain for each seed and although there are a lot of individual grains for each little bit of pollen dust, just think how many seeds are in a tiny velutina fruit. I say dust away...and expect fairly good results. Now the hard part should be the germinatioin.
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I went out again this morning and another set of flowers were starting to open up. Well, needless to say, I got some velutina pollen and treated them also. I did notice something that I wanted to point out. When the flowers first open up the stigma on the 'Thai Gold' is a pinkish color, as you can probably see in the pics that I took of the flowers after I had added the pollen yesterday. Well the ones that I pollinated yesterday, have turned almost completely white. What is up with that? Anyone want to venture a guess? Just something that caught my eye this morning...
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My guess would be that the stigma is maturing. I don't think they stay viable for too long so it's probably changing colors from pink (very fresh), to white (getting older/drier), to probably brown next, meaning the stigma is mature/dead and has done its thing.
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Randy , Have you thought about taking pollen from the Thai and putting it on your Velutina? It may work
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My guess would be that the stigma is maturing. I don't think they stay viable for too long so it's probably changing colors from pink (very fresh), to white (getting older/drier), to probably brown next, meaning the stigma is mature/dead and has done its thing.
I would support Bananaman's hypothesis.
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Randy , Have you thought about taking pollen from the Thai and putting it on your Velutina? It may work
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I am planning on giving it a go when the 'Thai' puts out its male flowers. The problem with this scenerio is the velutina has hermaphroditic
flowers. I will have to make sure I remove all the male stamens and after I pollinate the stigma, I will have to cover it somehow to make sure it doesn't get any pollen from another velutina flower. Will require alot more work, but I think we might give it a go and see what happens... I will post what we try and the results on this thread, so check back...
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Here is a quick update on the 'Thai Gold' bloom after 8 days... I was able to pollinate, I think and hope, all the female flowers. Not sure if the ones that are opening up are male flowers or not. They sure look different from the first ones that opened. Input would be appreciated...





Here is a closer look at the flowers that are now opening. Male flowers???
HELP a novice here, PLEASE!!!







Hopefully, someone will take a look at this and be able to tell me whether I am correct or not. If not, I may post a separate thread to try and show the difference between the flowers, but I hate to start another thread when it can all be included in one thread, but I need guidance!!!
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Great pictures!
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Randy, I can't help you with your Male/Female ID. But that is turning in to a beautiful flower.

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wow beautiful!
I almost cant wait untill my siamensis will flower!
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Old 09-10-2008, 11:09 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Thanks for posting the pics and updating them. I'm fairly new to trying to actually get a bloom and they're worth a thousand words!
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Well, we started crossing the other way this evening... A friend of mine came over and we found a velutina bloom that only opened a few days ago. We removed all the male flowers, took the Thai's male flowers and pollinated the pistil on the velutina. Afterwards, we covered the flowers with a coffee filter and used a rubber band to hold it in place for a couple of days. We are not sure if the flower of the velutina had already been pollinated or not, so we found another velutina bloom, carefully cut back the next bract that was not open yet and removed the stamens on the flowers inside. Since the flowers were not fully developed yet, we covered them the same way as before with a coffee filter and I will go out in a day or two and pollinate them and then recover the flowers. We know these flowers had not been pollinated yet as no pollen had been formed on them as of yet... Wish us luck!!!

Oh, yeah, almost forgot, I have a laterita with a flag leaf that just came up today, so more to play with!!! This one is actually in the ground, so that may pose a problem...
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Good luck, Randy! You might just come up with a new type of banana.
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Just thought I would update this thread in case someone was following it. I took some pics of the bananas forming that I crossed with my Musa velutina.





Crossing the 'Thai Gold' back to the female velutina has proven to be a challenge. We have only been able to successfully cross it back on one occasion and we are not sure if the velutina was already pollinated or not, so this may not prove to be a success. The other two attempts failed as once the bracts were peeled back and the male fowers removed, we pollinated the female and covered it with a coffee filter. After a day, I uncovered them and on both occasions, the flowers and their bases, fell off. We will be trying again later today and see what we can do.
In the meantime, my laterita that is planted out and will not survive my winter threw up a flag and is about to open its flower! We will be attempting to crossing it with both the velutina and Thai Gold. Hopefully it will take and somehow I will be able to get it to produce fruit, but not sure because it is so late in the season. Here is a couple of pics of the laterita bloom...





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Let me be the first to congratulate you on your new laterita bloom! The entire plant looks spectacular, but the bloom...wow! I hope you will have great success crossing this one with the velutina and Thai Gold. Keep all of us posted. We love seeing your pictures!
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Just thought I would update this thread in case someone was following it. I took some pics of the bananas forming that I crossed with my Musa velutina.





Crossing the 'Thai Gold' back to the female velutina has proven to be a challenge. We have only been able to successfully cross it back on one occasion and we are not sure if the velutina was already pollinated or not, so this may not prove to be a success. The other two attempts failed as once the bracts were peeled back and the male fowers removed, we pollinated the female and covered it with a coffee filter. After a day, I uncovered them and on both occasions, the flowers and their bases, fell off. We will be trying again later today and see what we can do.
In the meantime, my laterita that is planted out and will not survive my winter threw up a flag and is about to open its flower! We will be attempting to crossing it with both the velutina and Thai Gold. Hopefully it will take and somehow I will be able to get it to produce fruit, but not sure because it is so late in the season. Here is a couple of pics of the laterita bloom...





HEY ALL!!!
Just wanted to update this thread with newer pics of my laterita bloom and tiny nanners forming... I am crossing it with my velutina. I wanted to try a few hands of it using my 'Thai Gold', but it seems the pollen has run out on it... All the flowers I am getting now on the T. Gold, do not have any pollen in them... Anyway, here is a couple of pics of the laterita. What a difference in size the blooms are when planted in ground versus in a pot!







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That flower is a beauty, Randy! Keep it growing well into fall.
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