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03-08-2016, 06:37 PM | #1 (permalink) |
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Edible variegated red banana?
I found a "fruiting variegated red banana" at a local big box store, and I was under the impression that the variegated types were ornamental only?
At $12.00 it was little risk it's about 18" high and even sending out two pups. The hang tag says it's self fertile but can be pollinated with a list of varieties on the tag. Dunno if that's relevant for non seeded fruit? So, is what I found actually going to give me fruit? |
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Re: Edible variegated red banana?
Does the hang tag include the name of the grower? If so, I'd contact them and ask. (They may not have any answers but why not try.) It would help if you edited your profile to show your location. Why? Well, it would give some hints about which Big Box you frequented and where you shopped. If Alaska, I'm clueless; if FL, I might have some ideas.
Pretty plant.
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Re: Edible variegated red banana?
Not for sure where your location is (hardiness zone) I am on the Gulf Coast (8b/9a) and never seen fruit for the 20+ years I've had them. They sure don't take the cold well.
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Re: Edible variegated red banana?
looks like zebrina , a common ornamental banana with non edible fruit. nice plant to have for it's leaves
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Re: Edible variegated red banana?
Sorry, I'm in Southeast Florida (10a), I have two different types of nannas left from the nearly dozen I originally had, I pulled the ones that I either didn't like or had a growth habit I did not like. They grow really well here.
They were in Lowes and there was no grower info on the hang tag. The reason I'm wondering is every variegated cultivar I've seen either has inedible fruit, or are ornamental only. Some places talk about "the small edible seeded fruit" indicating they are a species not cultivar? The hang tag not only has the typical "Grow your own, enjoy your harvest" verbiage it also has "edible" fruit specific wording like Nutrition facts of Musa Rojo, "This fruit does not need a pollinator" and a list of pollinators but says it's self fertile? I bought it on the off chance it actually does produce edible fruit, if not? Well I'll get to that when I get to that. PS. Wiki has a page on it and says they are edible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_banana |
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Re: Edible variegated red banana?
Is it that? Perhaps not. I'd contact Lowes and ask who supplied the product. They may hem and haw but, trust me, they know who they paid. Be nice but firm when they transfer you to another party. Explain that you collect musas and want to know the history of the plant you purchased from them--your favorite store. Then report back to us...
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Re: Edible variegated red banana?
There are both edible and wild/seeded/ornamental varieties with this leaf patterning. I find the wild ones are actually more rare in the nursery trade than a common one which is actually edible, but seems to have a hard time making full size fruit, and in many cases, doesn't fruit at all due to being used as a warm weather annual landscape plant, so it is never given the chance to fruit. It's hard to tell at this point which type you have, but as it grows the leaves will either get relatively wide and be more horizontal which is the edible one, or they will be more slender and upright which is likely a seeded/strictly ornamental type.
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Re: Edible variegated red banana?
What does self fertile mean? Does that mean it produces seed?
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I am wondering about this issue. I have two other types of nannas and since the literature with it says they can be cross pollinated, that suggests that if I were to hand pollinate them I could use the seeds from the variegated tree to attempt some hybridization. That may make the resulting fruit either larger or better tasting? I wonder if this has been tried with the edible type Gabe15 mentioned? |
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Re: Edible variegated red banana?
My guess, which is always wrong, it's a Zabrina.
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Re: Edible variegated red banana?
Wether it gives fruit or not, it looks great and healthy so for 12$, good find!
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Re: Edible variegated red banana?
On another note, I bought 25 seeds of Musa Veluntina (pink banana) for a bit of diversity from the the other dwarf yellow bananas I have.
I'm going to plant all 25 seeds in pots and if any more than a couple come up I'll give the plants to friends and neighbors. Is anyone growing these? |
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"Self-fertility" is a term not generally used in bananas as it is somewhat meaningless and irrelevant in most cases (though very meaningful and relevant to some other common fruits). For edible bananas, fertility is of no factor because they are parthenocarpic, which could be mistaken as self-fertility, but really is it complete fertility avoidance and the fruit is stimulated to develop by other means (genetically controlled vegetative parthenocarpy), making the question of whether or not a particular edible cultivar can self-pollinate or requires an alternative source of pollen to set seed irrelevant to fruit production. Quote:
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I have not attempted any crosses with the edible red-variegated banana we are talking about, it may or may not have the ability to set seed with certain male parents, the male flowers do have a small amount of pollen which may be fertile and yield seed if used on a fertile female parent.
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Re: Edible variegated red banana?
Here are some photos of this plant taken from around the world over many years. It is actually quite a common plant, despite it having very ambiguous origins and identity. The fruit starts out red when young, turns green as it matures, and ripens yellow. It can be very tasty, but like I mentioned earlier, it seems to have great trouble filling out decent sized fruit in most situations, but I have seen and tasted really great fruit from it once before.
https://goo.gl/photos/gcqhg4gqmiqFGURz9
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As far as I can tell we have an ideal climate with sun, and rain in abundance, our only shortfall as far as bananas go is lack rich fertile soil. Luckily I have a "decent" soil which has proven itself suitable. Hopefully these will fruit and add a bit of color to my otherwise monotone garden :-) |
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They grow in Florida, I have seen lots there, but still the fruit does not normally get very large.
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I "think" many say these are not edible because of the seeds. Jeez, if this is the case, I'd have to stop eating a LOT of other fruits like guava, cactus pear, watermelon, sapodilla and more! |
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This plant is routinely assumed to be one of those subspecies, which it is not, and also those two wild taxa are erroneously assumed to be synonymous with each other, which they are not. Aside from the botanical taxonomy among M. acuminata taxa needing revision, the plant in question is not either of those two wild taxa. It is something else, I have some theories of it's origins, but no solid proof yet. Here is a gallery of photos of truly wild-type Musa acuminata which are allied to the M. acuminata subsp. zebrina (like I said, the botanical taxonomy of the various M. acuminata taxa is in need of revision and somewhat complicated). You can see they are quite different from the edible red-leaved plant in question, these plants are tall and very slender, with upright leaves, very small and seeded fruit when pollinated, no pulp or seeds when not pollinated (i.e. non-parthenocarpic), and no persistent bracts on the rachis. These plants are occasionally seen in the nursery trade, but are much rarer than the weird edible one, and when they are sold they are generally under the same set of names as the edible one they are confused with. https://goo.gl/photos/uP8iySJmtuvMrrXm8
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