Droopy New Leaf

sloot95 · 12-25-2012, 07:50 PM

New leaf on my Pisang Ceylan. This was taken yesterday, today its even touching the ground. Should i just leave it a few more days see what happens or remove it? Any idea what causes this?

We have had some fairly hot weather hitting around 32's C (90f) followed by a couple of days of rain which stopped yesterday thats when I noticed it.

Thanks

sloot95 · 12-25-2012, 08:04 PM

I forgot to add. It was planted 3 weeks ago and has put out 2 leaves this is its 3rd since being put in the ground. I did not fertilize when I planted it. About a week ago I gave all the plants some potassium of sulfate all the rest are ok and throwing out new leaves although this is the smallest of them.

sloot95 · 12-25-2012, 08:26 PM

It has a new leaf following through so I decided to give it some assistance and unrolled the leaf for it. You can see in the pic half unrolled ok, hopefully the other half unrolls itself now once it gets some sun hitting it. Will see what happens with the next leaf.

Illia · 12-25-2012, 08:55 PM

Looks like a fertilizer problem to me. I'm not sure on the specifics but usually droopy and wilting tops like that can mean that you're adding too much or not the right balance.

sloot95 · 12-25-2012, 08:58 PM

Your post disappeared Kostas?

The only fertilizer its had since going in the ground is JUST potassium so probably an imbalance. I just went out and gave it a good handfull of dynamic lifter which is a complete fertilizer (3.2-2-1.8). Will see how it goes over the next few weeks.

bananimal · 12-25-2012, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sloot95

Your post disappeared Kostas?

The only fertilizer its had since going in the ground is JUST potassium so probably an imbalance. I just went out and gave it a good handfull of dynamic lifter which is a complete fertilizer (3.2-2-1.8). Will see how it goes over the next few weeks.

Sloot ---- you just added more P with that application. To perk up the plant I would drench the root zone with fish emulsion diluted to bottle specs. Nothing else for a while to check growth progress.

sloot95 · 12-26-2012, 12:20 AM

too late its watered in good I could add some fish emulsion on top of it though? Might be a bit too much.

Kostas · 12-26-2012, 04:12 AM

Well,the leaf unfolded fine with your help and others pretty much covered me so my post wasn't helpful anymore. I agree that's its a nutrient imbalance and would suggest to just wait it out now and it will fix. Even though you added some more potassium you also added other minerals which will help the plant grow more healthily and deal better with the excess P.

brod · 12-27-2012, 12:07 AM

At this early stage of growth with the tissue culture plants nitrogen is probably most needed.
My one probably from the same Tully source is doing well with the 10-2-22 DPI recommended fertilizer growing in sth Queensland .
Sometimes this growth habit is the result of a lot of rain bringing on a growth spurt and the leaf can't unfurl quick enough.
Extra nitrogen should help the plant keep up with itself.
Good luck

bananimal · 12-27-2012, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by brod

At this early stage of growth with the tissue culture plants nitrogen is probably most needed.
My one probably from the same Tully source is doing well with the 10-2-22 DPI recommended fertilizer growing in sth Queensland .
Sometimes this growth habit is the result of a lot of rain bringing on a growth spurt and the leaf can't unfurl quick enough.
Extra nitrogen should help the plant keep up with itself.
Good luck

This is what I meant by using the fish. It can balance out the K cause it is mostly N.

Abnshrek · 12-27-2012, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by bananimal

This is what I meant by using the fish. It can balance out the K cause it is mostly N.

That's the truth my Fish is 5-1-1.. :^)

sloot95 · 12-27-2012, 02:26 AM

Hey Brod do you use a mixture of you found a fertilizer that has those figures?

Here is the plant today, that leaf is not looking the best.

brod · 12-27-2012, 04:03 AM

I use a mixture of urea , superphosphate and the sulphate of potash

Chance1945 · 12-27-2012, 08:26 PM

You can Analyze this problem to death, but I just wrote it off as a quirk. I grew about fifty plants this past summer, some in pots and some in the ground. I had this same problem on two plants. I thought it was maybe because they just happened to be in pots. I thought they might be root bound, but I see yours is in the ground.

The plants looked healthy and they each received the same attention and the same fertilizer as all the others, but the leaves were growing toward the ground and wouldn't unfurl.

There is a moth that lays its eggs on cannas and makes a web on the leaves that keep them from unfurling, but I checked and there was no web on the bananas.

Same amount of water, sun, fertilizer and two out of about 50 have a problem. Maybe genetics?

sloot95 · 12-27-2012, 08:50 PM

Your right I think i just need to leave it do its thing and fertilize it the same as the rest.

Did yours continue to throw out leaves that did not uncurl or just a one off?

The new leaf is standing more upright this morning Ill post another follow up pic tomorrow afternoon should see some more change.

Chance1945 · 12-27-2012, 09:55 PM

The subsequent leaves opened normally then we had a frost. Just can't win!

sloot95 · 12-30-2012, 04:27 AM

New leaf opened up ok thanks for all the tips!
I was pulling the mulch back on my largest plant and found its put out a pup my first one ever

parillo12 · 12-30-2012, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sloot95

Hey Brod do you use a mixture of you found a fertilizer that has those figures?

Here is the plant today, that leaf is not looking the best.

The new leaf coming up dosent look normal, will that happen to it to?

sloot95 · 12-31-2012, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by parillo12

The new leaf coming up dosent look normal, will that happen to it to?

That normal for my banana plants when they first pop out. The one that didnt unfold did that, then pointed straight up for a few days then folded over. The leaf afterwards turned out fine here is a pic. Been getting some rain today

EDIT: Top right of the above pic is my first pup growing

sloot95 · 01-04-2013, 02:34 AM

Its done it again

I might just leave this one as long as its not blocking the next leaf from coming through. I read somewhere that a leaf bowing downwards is a buron or something deficiency and that some seaweed solution has alot of these trace elements. I could try giving it a weak mixture of that then give it a good watering.

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sloot95 Location: Australia, Townsville Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 86 BananaBucks : 15,417 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 47 Times Was Thanked 71 Times in 27 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 9 Times	Droopy New Leaf New leaf on my Pisang Ceylan. This was taken yesterday, today its even touching the ground. Should i just leave it a few more days see what happens or remove it? Any idea what causes this? We have had some fairly hot weather hitting around 32's C (90f) followed by a couple of days of rain which stopped yesterday thats when I noticed it. Thanks

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sloot95 Location: Australia, Townsville Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 86 BananaBucks : 15,417 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 47 Times Was Thanked 71 Times in 27 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 9 Times	Re: Droopy New Leaf I forgot to add. It was planted 3 weeks ago and has put out 2 leaves this is its 3rd since being put in the ground. I did not fertilize when I planted it. About a week ago I gave all the plants some potassium of sulfate all the rest are ok and throwing out new leaves although this is the smallest of them.

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sloot95 Location: Australia, Townsville Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 86 BananaBucks : 15,417 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 47 Times Was Thanked 71 Times in 27 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 9 Times	Re: Droopy New Leaf It has a new leaf following through so I decided to give it some assistance and unrolled the leaf for it. You can see in the pic half unrolled ok, hopefully the other half unrolls itself now once it gets some sun hitting it. Will see what happens with the next leaf.

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12-26-2012, 12:20 AM	#7 (permalink)
sloot95 Location: Australia, Townsville Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 86 BananaBucks : 15,417 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 47 Times Was Thanked 71 Times in 27 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 9 Times	Re: Droopy New Leaf too late its watered in good I could add some fish emulsion on top of it though? Might be a bit too much.

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brod Location: Brisbane, Australia Find me on the map! Name: Brod Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 150 BananaBucks : 40,834 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 361 Times Was Thanked 185 Times in 82 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 52 Times	Re: Droopy New Leaf At this early stage of growth with the tissue culture plants nitrogen is probably most needed. My one probably from the same Tully source is doing well with the 10-2-22 DPI recommended fertilizer growing in sth Queensland . Sometimes this growth habit is the result of a lot of rain bringing on a growth spurt and the leaf can't unfurl quick enough. Extra nitrogen should help the plant keep up with itself. Good luck

12-27-2012, 02:26 AM	#12 (permalink)
sloot95 Location: Australia, Townsville Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 86 BananaBucks : 15,417 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 47 Times Was Thanked 71 Times in 27 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 9 Times	Re: Droopy New Leaf Hey Brod do you use a mixture of you found a fertilizer that has those figures? Here is the plant today, that leaf is not looking the best.

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brod Location: Brisbane, Australia Find me on the map! Name: Brod Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 150 BananaBucks : 40,834 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 361 Times Was Thanked 185 Times in 82 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 52 Times	Re: Droopy New Leaf I use a mixture of urea , superphosphate and the sulphate of potash

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Chance1945 Location: Bayou La Batre, Alabama Find me on the map! Zone: 9 Name: Terry Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 227 BananaBucks : 79,333 Feedback: 7 / 100% Said "Thanks" 140 Times Was Thanked 220 Times in 129 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 58 Times	Re: Droopy New Leaf You can Analyze this problem to death, but I just wrote it off as a quirk. I grew about fifty plants this past summer, some in pots and some in the ground. I had this same problem on two plants. I thought it was maybe because they just happened to be in pots. I thought they might be root bound, but I see yours is in the ground. The plants looked healthy and they each received the same attention and the same fertilizer as all the others, but the leaves were growing toward the ground and wouldn't unfurl. There is a moth that lays its eggs on cannas and makes a web on the leaves that keep them from unfurling, but I checked and there was no web on the bananas. Same amount of water, sun, fertilizer and two out of about 50 have a problem. Maybe genetics?

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sloot95 Location: Australia, Townsville Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 86 BananaBucks : 15,417 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 47 Times Was Thanked 71 Times in 27 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 9 Times	Re: Droopy New Leaf Your right I think i just need to leave it do its thing and fertilize it the same as the rest. Did yours continue to throw out leaves that did not uncurl or just a one off? The new leaf is standing more upright this morning Ill post another follow up pic tomorrow afternoon should see some more change.

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Chance1945 Location: Bayou La Batre, Alabama Find me on the map! Zone: 9 Name: Terry Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 227 BananaBucks : 79,333 Feedback: 7 / 100% Said "Thanks" 140 Times Was Thanked 220 Times in 129 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 58 Times	Re: Droopy New Leaf The subsequent leaves opened normally then we had a frost. Just can't win!

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sloot95 Location: Australia, Townsville Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 86 BananaBucks : 15,417 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 47 Times Was Thanked 71 Times in 27 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 9 Times	Re: Droopy New Leaf New leaf opened up ok thanks for all the tips! I was pulling the mulch back on my largest plant and found its put out a pup my first one ever

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sloot95 Location: Australia, Townsville Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 86 BananaBucks : 15,417 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 47 Times Was Thanked 71 Times in 27 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 9 Times	Re: Droopy New Leaf Its done it again I might just leave this one as long as its not blocking the next leaf from coming through. I read somewhere that a leaf bowing downwards is a buron or something deficiency and that some seaweed solution has alot of these trace elements. I could try giving it a weak mixture of that then give it a good watering.

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