Datil flowers in June

bananimal · 06-17-2012, 06:54 PM

This is the second year flower from the Datil la Lima mat. Pstem is 1.5 times fatter than last year. And it flowered at 6 ft - a little taller that the first. Can't wait!

Lesson to be learned here is short cycle naners guarantee fruit in one season! Same goes for SH 3640, Goldfinger, Viente Cohol and Hua Moa.

And I'm long past growing these guys just to look at big leaves.

Darkman · 06-18-2012, 07:35 PM

Hi Dan,

I know what you mean but can you elaborate or give me a link to a "short cycle banana" discussion? I'd like to know more about the varities that are in that group.

Iunepeace · 06-19-2012, 01:24 AM

Great photo! Do you know if the Pisang Mas* (Ladyfinger/Sucrier/Sugar) banana is among that list of short cycle naners? Also the SDC?

caliboy1994 · 06-19-2012, 02:31 AM

Are there any cold hardy short cycle bananas?

bananimal · 06-19-2012, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Iunepeace

Great photo! Do you know if the Pisang Awak (Ladyfinger/Sucrier/Sugar) banana is among that list of short cycle naners? Also the SDC?

I am not aware of any published list of short cycle naners, let alone cold resistant ones.

That list is mine alone based on what I've grown and my contact with the U of Ga. And what I call short cycle applys to my area and further south in Florida only. The cultivars I listed grow out and produce harvestable fruit each year before the cold snaps start in December. For my piece of zone 9b and south.

bananimal · 06-19-2012, 03:52 PM

Here is Nicks thread talking about short cycle VC and the U of Ga.

For clarificatiion --- there is no such thing as cold hardy bananas --- just cold tolerant. Bunch grapes are cold hardy!

veinte cohol in GA

Bananaman88 · 06-22-2012, 01:57 PM

I need to try a Goldfinger sometime to see if it will fruit reliably in Houston. The most reliable for me here has been Orinoco and California Gold, though I have also had Raja Puri, Dw. Brazilian, and Namwah fruit 2-3 years in a row (just not quite soon enough to get mature fruit). I grew Hua Moa here for about 3 years, and though it got quite tall (7-8 of pstem), it never fruited for me.

bananimal · 06-22-2012, 07:35 PM

Hey Brent,

Definitely go with Goldfinger. It always gives me fruit before the cold snaps start in Dec. Also SH3640. I will have more pups of each down the road.

Dan

RAINFOREZT · 06-23-2012, 06:08 AM

Datil la Lima..So its a dwarf banana plant? how is fruits taste like?
what's the meaning of the name? does it came from Peru?

And how tall the gold finger will grow?

bananimal · 06-23-2012, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by RAINFOREZT

Datil la Lima..So its a dwarf banana plant? how is fruits taste like?
what's the meaning of the name? does it came from Peru?

And how tall the gold finger will grow?

Last year was the first bunch and it came out stunted. Produced small fruits but the taste was better than any other naner I've tried.

This year the main pstem is much fatter and the flower popped out taller at 6.5 ft. Will know how it really tastes now for sure.

Besides being dwarfish it is a short cycle -- sure to get ripe fruit in one season. Like the Viente Cohol.

The meaning of the name --- don't know, don't care. Maybe NANAMAN made it up.

And it came from him in Lake Park, Fl --- by way of Palm Bay.

Dalmatiansoap · 06-23-2012, 08:34 AM

Congrats on the flower!
It sure would be interesting to find out whats behind "Datil" name.

venturabananas · 06-23-2012, 10:20 PM

Looks like a good variety. Looks a lot like Dwarf Brazilian, though maybe not the same, and nothing like Datil la Lima...

TARS 17413 - Musa acuminata - Datil La Lima - Florida, United States

bananimal · 06-23-2012, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by venturabananas

Looks like a good variety. Looks a lot like Dwarf Brazilian, though maybe not the same, and nothing like Datil la Lima...

TARS 17413 - Musa acuminata - Datil La Lima - Florida, United States

Here we go again with the redd trunk! What I got is what ars grin sends you regardless of the posted pic for accession tars 17413.

And ordering it again and again isn't gonna make the trunk turn red since they are TC plantlets. Next time I post D la L pics I'll use a red magic marker.

venturabananas · 06-24-2012, 09:38 AM

Dan, it's not just the red trunk. That plant ARS GRIN has photos of clearly has an AA genome, as they indicate. Yours has an AAB genome. They are very different plants. Whatever they sent you seems to be a great plant. It's just not what would normally be referred to as "Datil", which is usually used to refer to certain AA genome bananas. It's just another case banana confusion, apparently by the people providing the TC plants.

Given that it looks a lot like Dwarf Brazilian, does it taste like DB? To me, it looks like an extra short, stout DB. Which would make it a perfect banana, by my reckoning!

Darkman · 06-25-2012, 08:57 PM

My Goldfinger bloomed at five foot P-stem.

Is that normal?

Are there Dwarf Goldfingers?

bananimal · 06-25-2012, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkman

My Goldfinger bloomed at five foot P-stem.

Is that normal?

Are there Dwarf Goldfingers?

Not normal.

Not that I know of. Any indication of stunted growth other than height? What was the caliper of the pstem 1 ft from ground?

RAINFOREZT · 06-26-2012, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bananimal

Here we go again with the redd trunk! What I got is what ars grin sends you regardless of the posted pic for accession tars 17413.

And ordering it again and again isn't gonna make the trunk turn red since they are TC plantlets. Next time I post D la L pics I'll use a red magic marker.

I think if you just peel the skin of the stem little bit and then you will see the red colour.

Darkman · 06-27-2012, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bananimal

Not normal.

Not that I know of. Any indication of stunted growth other than height? What was the caliper of the pstem 1 ft from ground?

Not having another to compare it too makes it hard to say. The P-stem at one foot is five inches. The plant overall looks healthy. It has produced six hands and that will be all. It is pupping so I think it is OK. This is a P-stem from last year and it was not protected at all during our warm Winter.

venturabananas · 06-27-2012, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darkman

Not having another to compare it too makes it hard to say. The P-stem at one foot is five inches. The plant overall looks healthy. It has produced six hands and that will be all. It is pupping so I think it is OK. This is a P-stem from last year and it was not protected at all during our warm Winter.

Yes, it's not a normal height for Goldfinger (see linked doc), but it's probably not a cause for concern. Any temporary or long-term stress could cause it to fruit at an unusually small size. If it died back at all over winter, that would reduce the height some. Also, the first stem to fruit from a corm (the "mother" plant) is usually shorter than subsequent stems. It could also be a somatic mutation for dwarfism, which you could tell by shorter than normal petioles. But I bet the next stem on that plant will get taller. And 6 hands is better than none! Which is what I got from the 3 Goldfingers that have flowered for me.

http://www.fhia.org.hn/dowloads/info...dos/fhia01.pdf

Worm_Farmer · 06-27-2012, 03:54 PM

my GF flowed short also. It is the 1st it has flowered for me, and it was cut back down to the corm and also got freeze damaged. I agree that the next stalk will be much bigger.

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