Datil - Page 3

Abnshrek · 01-21-2014, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bananimal

Go to the ars grin website and pull up TARS 17413 and you find views of pstem leaves fruit etc. You can even order germplasm from them. Good luck getting the right one.

Why they send out the wrong stuff often?

Bender · 01-21-2014, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ez

Datil La Lima and Raja Puri are two totally different plants, when you compare the two plants side by side you can see the difference and there's the p-stem size (12' Datil La Lima) (6'-7' Raja Puri) to see Raja Puri banana flowers go here What's blooming in your garden? (bananas).

Thanks

servatusprime · 01-21-2014, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bananimal

Go to the ars grin website and pull up TARS 17413 and you find views of pstem leaves fruit etc. You can even order germplasm from them. Good luck getting the right one.

Is this something we could do for home garden evaluation? Know of any body who has tried todo this and was successful in receiving germplasm?

Nicolas Naranja · 01-21-2014, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by servatusprime

Is this something we could do for home garden evaluation? Know of any body who has tried todo this and was successful in receiving germplasm?

I have received germplasm, you have to make a research proposal. They have tightened up on who they will send to. It certainly helps that I work for UF and have done some academic publications. I am going to do a trial on "standard" bananas. I have 11 varieties for that purpose: Grand Naine, Williams, Baloy, Jamaican Lacatan, Baloy, Giant Cavendish, Paggi, FHIA-17, FHIA-2, FHIA-23, and Gros Michel

servatusprime · 01-21-2014, 09:48 PM

Well that's pretty cool. Let me know if you need additional testing sites - for purely academic purposes

Nicolas Naranja · 01-21-2014, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by servatusprime

Well that's pretty cool. Let me know if you need additional testing sites - for purely academic purposes

They send three plants, I only have two sites for sure. In order to have publishable results I need data from 3 sites over 3 crops cycles. Of course, the stated purpose is to evaluate these plants on muck soils.

bananimal · 01-21-2014, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Abnshrek

Why they send out the wrong stuff often?

Years ago they sent to anyone. What Nick said is the way it is now. The Datil was only a curiosity put into my head by NANAMAN. So forget ars grin.

Abnshrek · 01-21-2014, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bananimal

Years ago they sent to anyone. What Nick said is the way it is now. The Datil was only a curiosity put into my head by NANAMAN. So forget ars grin.

Well I'll continue to grow mine to see what kinda character she has in my soil.. :^)

servatusprime · 01-21-2014, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicolas Naranja

They send three plants, I only have two sites for sure. In order to have publishable results I need data from 3 sites over 3 crops cycles. Of course, the stated purpose is to evaluate these plants on muck soils.

Well my back yard certainly would not meet those site conditions. I have highly compacted clayey sand with frustraiting rock fragments (why is there a small bolder where I want to dig a hole?) thanks to more mordern land development practices. If you ever want to evaluate that, let me know.

. This soil is a pain in the rump for many reasons.

Nicolas Naranja · 01-22-2014, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by servatusprime

Well my back yard certainly would not meet those site conditions. I have highly compacted clayey sand with frustraiting rock fragments (why is there a small bolder where I want to dig a hole?) thanks to more mordern land development practices. If you ever want to evaluate that, let me know.

. This soil is a pain in the rump for many reasons.

My back yard was the former nearshore of Lake Okeechobee. I have found old coke bottles, anchors and a menagerie of shells. But I feel your pain, as I have an area with marl and I practically need a pick axe to dig a hole.

PR-Giants · 01-22-2014, 07:22 AM

NPGS does have access to the web and is aware of the org and players.

On mornings that their request box is full, they probably check what was written on the org.

Their goal is to get germplasm out to the farmers/public in an efficient manner, the fact Nick owns a

Banana Nursery only elevates his importance.

Although supplying t/c labs like Agristarts might be a more efficient manner to cover the US market.

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Originally Posted by Nicolas Naranja

I couldnt bring myself to pay $20 plus shipping or driving 180 miles. If I could get him to reply to.e-mail it would be different. I am competition so I am sure I get treated differently

Free germplasm & free shipping was just the bonus.

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Originally Posted by Nicolas Naranja

Yes, NK Lago Farms is my farm and it's mostly for fruit but i am expanding the nursery side of things. But, its hard to beat $15 for a 3 gallon plant, unless of course you are buying suckers from me. I have tried before to get fhia 21 AND FHIA 23 from Don and I get no response. I might use a straw buyer to see if i could get a different answer.

I've received germplasm and am presently researching macro propagation techniques of Pacific

short cycle dessert bananas and also the FHIAs. My goal is to help other small farms in eastern PR.

Banana plants have no real monetary value here ( $0.50 ea.), but the fruit has economic importance.

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Originally Posted by Nicolas Naranja

I have received germplasm, you have to make a research proposal. They have tightened up on who they will send to. It certainly helps that I work for UF and have done some academic publications. I am going to do a trial on "standard" bananas. I have 11 varieties for that purpose: Grand Naine, Williams, Baloy, Jamaican Lacatan, Baloy, Giant Cavendish, Paggi, FHIA-17, FHIA-2, FHIA-23, and Gros Michel

PR-Giants · 01-22-2014, 08:04 AM

Ed, you do such a great job and the org is very lucky for all of your input.

Keep it going.

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Originally Posted by ez

Datil La Lima and Raja Puri are two totally different plants, when you compare the two plants side by side you can see the difference and there's the p-stem size (12' Datil La Lima) (6'-7' Raja Puri) to see Raja Puri banana flowers go here What's blooming in your garden? (bananas).

PR-Giants · 01-22-2014, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Capitum

My entire collection is for the purpose of seeing which varieties can even survive my microclimate- At this point I doubt I'll ever get fruit or full grown plants. We rarely have days up in the 80's (even in the middle of the summer) and usually get several freezes per year. Take a look in my gallery for pics, you won't see anything more than about 2 feet tall... it is a painful addiction, but my hope is to sort out differences based on raised beds (we get a lot of rain, and the ground is wet and cold 6 months of the year), unheated greenhouse, and large pots to see whether I can get any variety to acclimate and survive (thrive?) other than basjoo (which freezes to the ground but comes back each year).

It's great what you are doing, I've studied similar differences but without the unheated greenhouse or the cold and have found large shallow pots are the easiest way to get a cultivar to thrive in the tropics.

I am curious why you chose the Datil, maybe a shorter and quicker cultivar would be easier in your microclimate.

Thanks & Good Luck

Nicolas Naranja · 01-22-2014, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PR-Giants

The fact Nick owns a

Banana Nursery only elevates his importance.

I am sure I rank real high on their importance list. The interest in "standard" bananas from me comes from some political maneuvering that happened in the state capitol a few years ago. The Department of Agriculture runs the school lunch program and they have been spending money trying to source produce for school lunches locally. After a few conversations with some people, I learned that the school boards would love to have local bananas, if they were available. I did some more research into it and found out that within a 2 hour drive there were over 800K students in public school. There are upwards of 400k bananas served in the schools every day. So there is a ready market for a little over 2600 boxes of bananas daily within 2 hours of my house. The school year is 180 days, so you have a little over $8 million being spent on bananas during the school year. A real solid variety and good growing practices could keep that money local. Once you have a solid production base, you can start marketing to grocery stores as well.

ez · 01-22-2014, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by PR-Giants

Ed, you do such a great job and the org is very lucky for all of your input.

Keep it going.

Thanks

Your accurate descriptions and photographs are an exemplary contribution to understanding the difference between cultivars and one of the reasons why I joined.

Everyone here has something important to say, although I may not agree with everything I am thankful.

Abnshrek · 01-22-2014, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PR-Giants

I am curious why you chose the Datil, maybe a shorter and quicker cultivar would be easier in your microclimate.

I think this thread may be the reason? :^)

Dominico Bananas

Capitum · 01-25-2014, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by PR-Giants

I am curious why you chose the Datil,

Actually, I wasn't picky about the specific cultivars- my initial goal was to look at differences based on genotype (AA, AAB, AABB, etc) and the datil just filled one of my genotype categories. Of course, I could be completely off base- maybe the variation in cold tolerance, moisture tolerance, etc. may be greater across cultivars than across genotypes, but I had to start somewhere ;-)

venturabananas · 01-26-2014, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Capitum

Actually, I wasn't picky about the specific cultivars- my initial goal was to look at differences based on genotype (AA, AAB, AABB, etc) and the datil just filled one of my genotype categories. Of course, I could be completely off base- maybe the variation in cold tolerance, moisture tolerance, etc. may be greater across cultivars than across genotypes, but I had to start somewhere ;-)

With so many banana cultivars, there's no question that there is a lot of variation within genotypes. But there are pretty big average differences between genotypes. Don't look to the all A genotypes for cold tolerance. Though I wonder if the East African Highland bananas might be an exception. I've never had the opportunity to grow any of them.

East African Highland bananas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

PR-Giants · 01-26-2014, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Capitum

Actually, I wasn't picky about the specific cultivars- my initial goal was to look at differences based on genotype (AA, AAB, AABB, etc) and the datil just filled one of my genotype categories. Of course, I could be completely off base- maybe the variation in cold tolerance, moisture tolerance, etc. may be greater across cultivars than across genotypes, but I had to start somewhere ;-)

Mark makes some good points, and the best way around the cold tolerance issue for All As might be choosing one that can be planted & harvested in one season.

Scot seemed to have made some very interesting selections, the Columbian Pelipita, Costa Rican Pelipita, and the short cycle AAB, just to highlight a few.

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Originally Posted by Chironex

Well, let me first explain that 29 of these are TC starts that were just received. As far as seeds go, I have all of these in germinators now, no plants yet. That said, here is a list of currently growing bananas, followed by those still coming, followed by the seeds I am trying to germinate:

Plants:
Ae Ae
African Red
Antigua Finger Rose
Basjoo
Beccarii
Belle
California Cold Hardy
California Gold
Cheeka
Chinese Golden Lotus
Columbian Dwarf
Dasycarpa
Dominican Red-French Type
Double Mahoi
Dwarf Brazilian
Dwarf Chamaluco
Dwarf Cuban/Jamaican Red
Dwarf Lady Finger
Dwarf Namwah
Dwarf Namwah Pearl
Ensete Ventricosum
FHIA 17
FHIA 23
French Dwarf
Giant Governor
Gigante Blanco
Goldfinger (FHIA 1)
Gran Nain
Gros Michel
Ha'a Ha'a
Hua Moa
Hy Brazilian
Ice Cream
Igcpoca
Itinerans
Katual Vunalair
Ka-ua-lau
Kru
Mai'a Maoli Eka
Manzano
Mona Lisa (FHIA 2)
Monkey Fingers
Monte Cristo Enano
Monthan
Morado
Morado Enano
Mysore
Nchumbahoka/Nehumbahoka
Orinoco
Paggi
Pelipita (17818 & 17819)
Pirineo
Pisang Klotek
Pisang Raja
Pitogo
Pitu
Poni (Ele Ele)
Praying Hands
Raja Puri
Red Iholena
Saba
Sc 2T
SH-3640
Siam Ruby
Super Dwarf Cavendish
Sweetheart (FHIA 3)
Taiwanese Somaclone
Texas Star
Thai Black Balbisiana
Tigua
TMP x 4479-1
Truly Tiny
Verdin
White Iholena
Williams
Yangambi KM-5
Ziv
plus a few NOIDs

On order/waiting for arrival:

Abyssinian Giant
African Rhino Horn
Balongkaue
Golden Aromatic
Kofi
Kandrian
Kumanumba
Lacatan - Jamaican
Lakatan - Philippine
Nino
Pisang Ceylon
Pisang Jari Buaya
Popoulu
Sumatrana -'Zebrina'
Tibet
Tuugia
Valery
Viente Cohol
Yangtze

plus a few NOIDs

Seeds:

Abyssinian
Balbisiana
Basjoo
Cheesmani
Coccinea
Ensete Gilletii (Livingstonianum)
E. Superbum-Thai Rock
Helen's Hybrid
Ingens
Itinerans
Lasiocarpa
Laterita
Mannii
Nagensium
Ornata(Orange)Aurantiaca?
Perrieri
Siamensis
Thompsonii
Violacea
Zebrina

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