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Old 06-17-2010, 05:45 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Would a Orinoco pup taken from a mat growing in zone 8 be more cold hardy than one from a zone 10 mat ?
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Old 06-17-2010, 05:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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I would say that it probably will but only for a few months,after these,all old,hardy or tender leafs will have been replaced with new ones that are acclimated to the place it will be growing and so any advantage or dissadvantage will probably be lost...At most it may keep its extra hardiness or lack of till the first winter. At least this is what happens with palms brought from one zone to another...
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Well I don't necessarily think its in the leaves its from the corm and if its endured unprotected harshness; for example our last winter, and the pups are allowed to mature I'd say than one that hasn't had to endure such is at a disadvantage.
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Well I don't necessarily think its in the leaves its from the corm and if its endured unprotected harshness; for example our last winter, and the pups are allowed to mature I'd say than one that hasn't had to endure such is at a disadvantage.
This what I was wondering . Do the adapt
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I don't if you'd call it adapting, but more like working within their capabilities. Some plants just can't take a certain temperature and are just going to die. I guess that's why we help them out in many ways to give them an advantage or two.. whether its cold, heat, fast draining soil, nutrients or shade :^)
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I don't if you'd call it adapting, but more like working within their capabilities. Some plants just can't take a certain temperature and are just going to die. I guess that's why we help them out in many ways to give them an advantage or two.. whether its cold, heat, fast draining soil, nutrients or shade :^)
Okay how do sports come about. I was just wondering.there are mats of orinoco in my neighborhood that are over thirty years old. Just wondering if they have changed in any way.

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I don't think so.
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I didn't think so either.. what did you try Tony?
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The corm MAY have some extra hardiness but this will be confined to the part of it that came with the pup,the new corm will be adapted to the new growing environment so there shouldnt be any lasting benefits or disadvantages. A plant grown in too cold a climate adapt within its capabilities,as Michael said,it uses all its availiable mechanisms to produce hardy tissue to survive where its growing. That is restricted genetically as it can only addpt using mechanisms it has and cannot ''invent'' new ones. Random mutations can happen during puping,etc and these MAY give random benefits including extra cold hardiness but the chance for that isnt great. Such pups or parts of the clump would be obviously more cold tolerant but i dont think the whole clump would become more cold tolerant or anything,just the just that mutated. That is pretty rare though so chance are even a 30year old clump doesnt have a more cold tolerant part than another growing in South Fla unless it shows obvious cold tolerance difference compared to most of the clump.
With seeding plants its different though. Seeds from plants growing in a marginal environment tend to give hardier plants and as the generations pass,cold hardiness becomes greater by a tiny bit for each generation each time. So seeds of plants growing in a marginal environment do give an extra bit of cold hardiness compared to seeds from plants in ideal places.
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In the cold hardy list Orinoco and 1000 finger are rated more cold hardy than Goldfinger and D.Namwah. For me Goldfinger and D.Namwh out grow my orinoco and 1000 finger in winter. 1000 FINGER ,rated zone 8,doesn't do any better than my Kru zone 11.
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I have been very impressed with my praying hands,with cold tolerance,it sat around the greenhouse for 5 months at min temp 10c,while other nanas did not like it.
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Something I have always wondered is,due cold hardy plants loose there hardiness,if they spend several months inside or a year?

ALso anyone know if 1000 fingers will make it here on the coast of NC zone 8b?
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In the cold hardy list Orinoco and 1000 finger are rated more cold hardy than Goldfinger and D.Namwah. For me Goldfinger and D.Namwh out grow my orinoco and 1000 finger in winter. 1000 FINGER ,rated zone 8,doesn't do any better than my Kru zone 11.
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Well I'm fixing to see how they do in the ground here.. :^)
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I hope so, not that I'm wishing for anything like the winter we just had.. A typical winter would be nice to see how they fare. :^)
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I see why you are warry of the list Tony. Thanks for sharing your experience with them!
Goldfinger and Namwah(the tall one) are in my list to get! Along with Praying Hands as it was awesome seeing it alive in FL!
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