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Old 02-03-2014, 01:34 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Dumb question, what's a cc?

Also it must have gotten lower than 38.

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The cc is Chini Champa. From the foothills of the Himalayas, Kalimpong, Bengal India. Like Nick said the leaves turn yellow when the latex co-agulates. That is why the stems are still solid also at 38F.
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Hope this isn't considered a hijack, but here is how some of my bananas fared after we had a similar frost frost event here in Fort Myers:

Gros Michel, I was worried about this one. But it looks ok. If I am not in love with the fruit, I think I'll replace it with something more cold hardy. The yellow straggling looking stuff at the bottom is store bought ginger I was growing. Just to the left is galangal ginger which fared much better. (also edible)


Double Mahoi, pretty typical yearly yellowing. It has some hands filling in, but they look fine. I got it for the novelty (why else) I might replace this one too if the fruit doesn't blow my mind.


Kandarian, it don't care how cold it was! Looking forward to eating this one. It might be my favorite as far as appearance goes, though the SH3640 is a close 2nd


SH3640 bloom, I hope the fruit wasn't affected! I guess we shall wait and see.


Pisang Raja, plugging along with no damage


Brazilian, no damage


Zebrina (my wife likes it, I rather have something that makes edible fruit!! But I guess a little color is a good thing in the garden) Some yellowing, big surprise.... but this guy hasn't been too hardy anyway. It was happier on the side of my house when it was shaded half of the day.


No pictures of my creamwah, X, or goldfinger for now, but they look just fine. Even have a flower bud coming out on the goldfinger, will post soon.
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My thermometer is accurate, I actually have two here at the house, the bank down the street and a NOAA site a little up the road. All the same reading. The bananas you mentioned are quite a bit more hardy than some of the ones I have. Hua Moa is known for it's sensitivity to cold, and the dwarf plantains aren't exceedingly tolerant of cool temps. Some varieties seem no worse for the wear. Basically anything that had wine spots or is hawaiian was unhappy.

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37. The latex in the leaves coagulates, causes the leaves to turn yellow.[/QUOTE

My acurite thermometer said 36 one night but I didn't get any yellowing on the plants out in the open. Orinoco, mini luki, and raja puri.

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My Gros Michels seem to have come through ok as well. I had one in a pot near my house that got damaged. I am thinking maybe the adults are hardier than the young plants. They are pretty tall, and this was a radiational frost event.


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Basically anything that had wine spots or is hawaiian was unhappy.
That is a great, concise, and helpful summary.
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That is a great, concise, and helpful summary.
It just saved me the time of listing 34 varieties
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Basically anything that had wine spots or is hawaiian was unhappy.
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Gros Michel as poor cold tolerance.

Williams as fair to good cold tolerance.
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Williams is better than most, but not nearly as cold tolerant as Goldfinger, Orinoco, Njalipoovan, or Dwarf Namwah.
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Williams is better than most, but not nearly as cold tolerant as Goldfinger, Orinoco, Njalipoovan, or Dwarf Namwah.
The University of Florida also lists the genotypes w/ "B" on their website.
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Took a look at the PK today and estimate the leaves are 20% green. Of course the flower pops now. What does everybody think of my chances of getting a filled in bunch of fruit? I'm leaning towards zip to none.

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Took a look at the PK today and estimate the leaves are 20% green. Of course the flower pops now. What does everybody think of my chances of getting a filled in bunch of fruit? I'm leaning towards zip to none.
Depends on how happy the corm is for the next few months.
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The University of Florida also lists the genotypes w/ "B" on their website.
Yes, I know that. I am just pointing out that while Williams is more cold tolerant than Grande Nain, it is less tolerant than some of the other varieties I mentioned. The hawaiian varieties I grow have AAB genetics and weren't very happy about 38, and neither were the plantains which also have AAB.
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There certainly is a lot of variation in cold tolerance within genotypes. For example, Monthan (ABB) fruit skins seem especially vulnerable to cold damage compared to all the other varieties in my yard. The plant itself doesn't seem much affected by the cold, though.
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There certainly is a lot of variation in cold tolerance within genotypes. For example, Monthan (ABB) fruit skins seem especially vulnerable to cold damage compared to all the other varieties in my yard. The plant itself doesn't seem much affected by the cold, though.

I have noticed that new bunches of dwarf plantains seem especially sensitive to cool weather. Whereas bunches that have already been hanging for about a month or so seem to be able to handle it.
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Williams is a Cavendish and does have wine spots.

Nick, I expected you knew that and I was just pointing out for the newbies that Williams is more cold tolerant than some of the other bananas that have wine spots.

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Cold damage indeed! The red whatever it was is toast and the orinocos are whacked: leaves down and brown; some younger stems brown and mushy; larger stems are largely green, particularly those with the most protection. I have been removing the leaves but have yet to tackle stems. What might be the best plan of action: cut everything to the ground; remove only the completely brown stems; do nothing beyond leaf removal; ....? Back in the 60s-70 for the moment.
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Cold damage indeed! The red whatever it was is toast and the orinocos are whacked: leaves down and brown; some younger stems brown and mushy; larger stems are largely green, particularly those with the most protection. I have been removing the leaves but have yet to tackle stems. What might be the best plan of action: cut everything to the ground; remove only the completely brown stems; do nothing beyond leaf removal; ....? Back in the 60s-70 for the moment.
So sorry to hear about this. Others can give you more advice on the damaged Psuedostems
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Cold damage indeed! The red whatever it was is toast and the orinocos are whacked: leaves down and brown; some younger stems brown and mushy; larger stems are largely green, particularly those with the most protection. I have been removing the leaves but have yet to tackle stems. What might be the best plan of action: cut everything to the ground; remove only the completely brown stems; do nothing beyond leaf removal; ....? Back in the 60s-70 for the moment.
You can trim off the brown leaves and wait for the cigar to show on main pstems and pups. If the main pstem was near fruiting height don't bother. Cut it down and wait for the best pup to start growing.

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