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Snookie · 07-29-2012, 10:49 AM

Tanks Tony of the links...

I like DAT me:}

sunfish · 07-29-2012, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Snookie

Tanks Tony of the links...

I like DAT me:}

不客气

Olafhenny · 07-29-2012, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by sunfish

不客气

這是一個很大的幫助

PR-Giants · 07-29-2012, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by planetrj

Coffee Grounds (fresh from the pot) suck up nitrogen from the soil and need to decompose to release the nitrogen, but once it's decomposed, it will add plenty of Nitrogen and other micronutrients. It also can help release other components in the soil to be usable to the plants.

Coffee grounds, grass clippings and many other organics are not nitrogen robbers.

This is the internet and people have the right to spread false and misleading information.

When I first joined this site, I incorrectly assumed the members here the longest would be the most knowledgeable.

When determining what to compost and what could be directly added to the soil, check the C:N.

sunfish · 07-29-2012, 01:51 PM

I believe it is all explained here

coffee grounds - Soil Forum - GardenWeb

I could of read it and put it in my own words and sound like I know what I'm talking about

sunfish · 07-29-2012, 02:04 PM

The Starbucks coffee compost test - Sunset.com

alias · 07-29-2012, 02:17 PM

I know it helps for palms like Butias and Jubaeas. They like acid ground.

Darkman · 07-29-2012, 02:40 PM

As do blueberries!

trebor · 07-29-2012, 03:49 PM

Good thread.. I learned I was wrong about coffee grinds. But now I'm on track...

PR-Giants · 07-29-2012, 04:12 PM

Green Manure Hawaii

http://www.ctahr.hawaii.edu/sustaina...er%20Crops.pdf

C:N Ratio Washington State University

Compost Fundamentals: Compost Needs - Carbon Nitrogen Relationships

Carbon to Nitrogen Ratio - Composting 101

Hammocked Banana · 07-31-2012, 04:13 PM

Not sure if u read those articles but they are all about composting and decomposition. It is infact true that putting fresh coffee grounds, or other non-composted organics, around plants does sap up nitrogen. It's not the coffee grounds sapping the N, its the bacteria essentially eating the N to break down C (and other compounds) which is actually explained in one of your articles! However feeding the bacteria is the whole point of organic gardening, so the way to feed the bacteria but not take it away from a plants feeder roots, is to compost seperately and then give the plants the compost, this way they get nutes from the compost, and further metabolism of the bacteria/fungi/etc.

PR-Giants · 07-31-2012, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammocked Banana

Not sure if u read those articles but they are all about composting and decomposition. It is infact true that putting fresh coffee grounds, or other non-composted organics, around plants does sap up nitrogen. It's not the coffee grounds sapping the N, its the bacteria essentially eating the N to break down C (and other compounds) which is actually explained in one of your articles! However feeding the bacteria is the whole point of organic gardening, so the way to feed the bacteria but not take it away from a plants feeder roots, is to compost seperately and then give the plants the compost, this way they get nutes from the compost, and further metabolism of the bacteria/fungi/etc.

It appears u did not read those articles but they are all about composting and decomposition. It is infact true that putting fresh coffee grounds, or some other non-composted organics, around plants does not sap up nitrogen.

Here in the USA, we are taught about soil amendments in Kindergarten before the fourth thursday in November.

I plant in non-composted organics with a C:N of less than 20, and I do it every day of the year. If I was to believe you maybe my plants would shrink but they don't shrink they grow to 15 feet and higher.

I would suggust that you read the articles, Good Luck EH

Olafhenny · 07-31-2012, 09:13 PM

Keith and Brady,
you guys are splitting hairs. It is a well known fact, that nitrogen accelerates decomposition.
It is especially needed, when you want to add "hard cellulose" to the stuff to be decomposed. like in
saw dust. That goes to a slightly lesser degree for coffee grinds. Grass clippings and other green
soft plant tissue usually supply their own nitrogen to the process with plenty to spare.

Clearly pre-decomposed coffee grinds absorb less nitrogen than fresh ones. However the latter will not
absorb enough N to make an appreciable difference in the growth of the plants, unless coffee grinds
form the bulk of the organic mass added.

And please, Keith, let us keep chauvinistic statements out of this forum.

Thanks,
Olaf

PR-Giants · 07-31-2012, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Olafhenny

And please, Keith, let us keep chauvinistic statements out of this forum.

If you are referring to this sentence

"Here in the USA, we are taught about soil amendments in Kindergarten before the fourth thursday in November."

then you either don't understand the definition of chauvinistic or
you don't realize what the sentence was referring to.

Olafhenny · 07-31-2012, 11:49 PM

I do not use words I do not understand

Hammocked Banana · 08-02-2012, 01:26 PM

Keith Im not here to start a fight. Im here to learn and to share knowledge when it is something I can help with. I am a biochemist and so know a thing or two about microorganisms, and since my passion is organic gardening I have spent alot of my spare time learning everything I can about the life in my soil. I think you have the wrong idea of what bacteria sapping up nutrients means, and your plants certainly wont shrink lol, that will only happen if you take a machete to it. In the case of N this means that the bacteria absorb some of the free soluble N available in the soil, which is also what you feeder roots are trying to do. The bacteria dont steal the nutrients from the plants as it were, but essentially "compete" a little bit with the plants for the N. Now mind you, there are also a lot of bacteria in the soil fixing N from the atmosphere in to more usable sources of N for the plants to use. There is a lot going on down there not just a few greedy bacteria. If the organic matter is already composted it is simply more benificial because the N in the matter is already broken down by the bacteria/fungi into a form immediatelty usable for the plants.

Im sorry if I was somehow out of line I was just adding my 2 cents.

Edit: And for the record it is definately better to add some organic matter that isn't fully composted, than to do nothing at all (keeping in mind things like rot, etc). It will just take longer to see the effect.

Snookie · 08-02-2012, 05:25 PM

Whew Doggie....lol

All I have to say is that I added approx 10# of coffe grounds to my composter and we'll see what happens:}

I'm old school so I'm experimenting all the time.

But I did sleep at Holiday Inn a few times..

Peace B with U

sunfish · 08-02-2012, 06:02 PM

How about tea bags whoohoo

Snookie · 08-02-2012, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sunfish

How about tea bags whoohoo

Awe Ya! On another thread were considering Composted Monkeys for making monkey tea? or monkey juice...

Tea bags defenitly a possibility

Darkman · 08-03-2012, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammocked Banana

Keith Im not here to start a fight. Im here to learn and to share knowledge when it is something I can help with. I am a biochemist and so know a thing or two about microorganisms, and since my passion is organic gardening I have spent alot of my spare time learning everything I can about the life in my soil. I think you have the wrong idea of what bacteria sapping up nutrients means, and your plants certainly wont shrink lol, that will only happen if you take a machete to it. In the case of N this means that the bacteria absorb some of the free soluble N available in the soil, which is also what you feeder roots are trying to do. The bacteria dont steal the nutrients from the plants as it were, but essentially "compete" a little bit with the plants for the N. Now mind you, there are also a lot of bacteria in the soil fixing N from the atmosphere in to more usable sources of N for the plants to use. There is a lot going on down there not just a few greedy bacteria. If the organic matter is already composted it is simply more benificial because the N in the matter is already broken down by the bacteria/fungi into a form immediatelty usable for the plants.

Im sorry if I was somehow out of line I was just adding my 2 cents.

Edit: And for the record it is definately better to add some organic matter that isn't fully composted, than to do nothing at all (keeping in mind things like rot, etc). It will just take longer to see the effect.

AND y'all having said all that I want to throw a monkey wrench into this.

Obviously the UNcomposted coffee grounds have a very positive effect on scale on Sagos.

I'm sure that composted coffee would be great for the Sagos but would not kill the scale.

SOOOOO is it not beyond the realm of possibility that both ways may have good benefits and maybe some unforseen benefits! All things in moderation.

In the natural environment Coffee grounds would never find there way into the soil.

FURTHERMORE in a natural environment you would never find compost.

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