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Old 10-06-2022, 10:18 AM   #1 (permalink)
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for the last 2 years i quit fertilizing my bananas to find out if i was spending too much money on fertilizers. i found out i wasn't. it makes them more cold hardy, and makes them pup more and so on. i lost a lot of bananas by not fertilizing.

so has anybody been pouring on the potassium to see what happens?

certain varieties?
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So your saying by using fertilizer in general your bananas have become more hardy. Or adding more potassium to your fertilizer has helped then bounce back after winter quicker?
My first frost normally is first week of November. But past few years it has been last week of November. I feed all mine for the last time in September and itís granular so takes awhile to dissolve.
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So your saying by using fertilizer in general your bananas have become more hardy. Or adding more potassium to your fertilizer has helped then bounce back after winter quicker?
My first frost normally is first week of November. But past few years it has been last week of November. I feed all mine for the last time in September and it’s granular so takes awhile to dissolve.
yes, frosts and freezes take out some of my bananas. but before i quit fertilizing my bananas would put out leaves in between the frosts and freezes. when i stopped fertilizing the bananas stopped putting out green leaves. especially the 2nd year/last winter. and we had a really mild winter with 0 green leaves on the bananas. also, i dont have 1 banana per mat i let them get thick. and my mats were thinning out.

i am wondering if potassium might be the key ingredient and i am wondering what happens if you give them to much. i also kno that not all bananas are not the same and should not be treated as such.
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What happens when you feed in the fall too is. Like you mentioned the plant builds up strength and put out more roots. So in turn yes it could help them. They are aggressive feeders and I have only seen slight burn or discolor in leaves from pushing to much. But they bounce out of it quick. So I would think to much potassium would do the same.
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for the last 2 years i quit fertilizing my bananas to find out if i was spending too much money on fertilizers. i found out i wasn't. it makes them more cold hardy, and makes them pup more and so on. i lost a lot of bananas by not fertilizing.

so has anybody been pouring on the potassium to see what happens?

certain varieties?
Many times excessive amounts of one given nutrient will alter uptakes of other nutrients that are vital to your plants health.

An internet search for excessive/insufficient potassium in soil /hydro setup can help explain some of the potential issues and symptoms.

I agree cost of fertilizers and related goods have risen dramatically........wait till next season.

All my plants are cold hardy ......to the first hard freeze.
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What happens when you feed in the fall too is. Like you mentioned the plant builds up strength and put out more roots. So in turn yes it could help them. They are aggressive feeders and I have only seen slight burn or discolor in leaves from pushing to much. But they bounce out of it quick. So I would think to much potassium would do the same.
i start fertilizing at the beginning of march because that is the time where i should expect no more freeze. and finish at the beginning of december because generally i will get my first freeze at the beginning of january.

the npk of banana fuel fertilizer is 16-8-24 which is about 2 1/2 times the potassium of what i give them. what i feed them with is 10-10-10 once a month. but if i fed them twice a month then i would be giving them, maybe 20-20-20. [you can correct me if i am wrong] definitely a bit too much.
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Many times excessive amounts of one given nutrient will alter uptakes of other nutrients that are vital to your plants health.

An internet search for excessive/insufficient potassium in soil /hydro setup can help explain some of the potential issues and symptoms.

I agree cost of fertilizers and related goods have risen dramatically........wait till next season.

All my plants are cold hardy ......to the first hard freeze.
richards banana fuel fertilizer has an npk of 16-8-24, that's a lot of k.

i have been doing quite a bit of research on this subject believe it or not. but i do not want to kill other peoples nanners with wild theories or suppositions. just trying to see if other people currently involved here has done anything on this subject. i am sure it is being done, feeding large amounts of potassium that is.

and yes fertilizer is going up. and lawn fertilizer is high in nitrogen and low on potassium, which is probably what one is eventually going to have to get.
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I've been using urine as a cheap fertilizer. Also my guinea pig poop and whatever hay and pellets were left over when I clean their cage. And I have some fish fertilizer that has added potassium. But I did end up buying some organic fruit tree fertilizer 10-2-8. a 4 lb bag for like 13 dollars.
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I used to use banana fuel but only one yard we had that stayed wet all the time did I notice it worked for me. Tried it at my new yard and it never did anything. Got soil areas tested, added lime down and 10-10-10 grass fertilizer and they all ran out of that so got 13-13-13. Every since I switched and added lime all my mats doubled in size and pups like they used to be. The local lab here suggested me using grass fertilizer. I also mulch heavy with free local mulch and spray any grass around my mats.

On a side note no one has ever been able to answer this. Since I mulch heavy which is great compost anyhow with a lot of stuff mixed in. How would I honestly know if Iím added enough pellet fertilizer for mine? Since the mulch could absorb some or keep it above the root zone. Donít want to scrape it away in the summer as it helps keep the roots stay cooler. Yes fertilizer has gone up not cheap anymore.
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On a side note no one has ever been able to answer this. Since I mulch heavy which is great compost anyhow with a lot of stuff mixed in. How would I honestly know if Iím added enough pellet fertilizer for mine? Since the mulch could absorb some or keep it above the root zone. Donít want to scrape it away in the summer as it helps keep the roots stay cooler. Yes fertilizer has gone up not cheap anymore.
i am not an authority on the subject but my best guess would be if your mulch has the ability to soak up water then it would soak up fertilizer. and if you're worried that your fertilizer is not making it to the roots then what about moisture?

i have that problem, most years i do not get that much rainfall. and my mulch does not breakdown fast enough to do much good, so heavy mulching for me has been rather redundant. i mulch lite and replenish as necessary.
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Was just curious. Mulch is recycled stuff so it breaks down quick not good store bought stuff. Itís not really any heavier if at all when wet come paired to dry. So I should be fine.
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so......lets narrow this question down a bit. anybody working with wood ash, charcoal?
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On a side note no one has ever been able to answer this. Since I mulch heavy which is great compost anyhow with a lot of stuff mixed in. How would I honestly know if I’m added enough pellet fertilizer for mine? Since the mulch could absorb some or keep it above the root zone. Don’t want to scrape it away in the summer as it helps keep the roots stay cooler. Yes fertilizer has gone up not cheap anymore.
i quit fertilizing my bananas for 2 years, just to see if the 17 dollars a month was being wasted. my yard, my dirt, my climate, nobody here is exactly the same, so how can you answer that. and not all bananas are the same either. sometimes you have to find the answer for yourself.

as for fertilizing, yes!!!!!! they need it. especially in my yard. money is not wasted. i just have to figure out how not to spend as much money.

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so, did you see the redhead, WOW.

ok, your questions;

heavy compost also absorbs light rains, which limits the banana from getting water. i would imagine it absorbs fertilizer also. so that leads to another question; does the fertilizer degrade after the mulch absorbs it? can the sun degrade it? oops, 2 questions.

and as for mulching heavy and cooling the roots;

as for me with this florida sun that eats everything? i dont know? 1ft. around and 2inches deep. i dont think..... it can keep the ground cooler but it could keep the ground moister, if the rain can get to it. leads to more questions.

but as for composting, i have this big butt composter that is always hungry, so i mulch lite because its already composted. i have picture of it in my gallery, 4ft by 5ft. bit of grass clippins on top of that. or pine needs or straw or.......
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I have always wondered on the mulch thing. I mulch heavy here in my zone 8a. I do 4-6Ē I would guess as I just throw it on and eye it. After a few rains/winds it shrinks alittle. Anyone I have asked never had an exact yes or no on whether mulch and such robbed fertilizer from the bananas. We know one thing that the mulch has good stuff in it as well. A friend of mine Tony Avent from Plantdelights has never fertilized his banana mats but has used free compost from the city since 1987 till present. All his mats grow huge with that and irrigation in zone 7b microclimate in a valley.
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Bananas planted in florida sand don't seem to do so well. My bananas in richer soil do much better. So I throw as much compost and mulch as I can on them. Sandy soil just leaches everything down. Needs lots of worm castings and such to hold anything.
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I mulch all of our garden's, bagged and fresh, the older the better. We have piles of wood chips that are free. Fresh wood chips can take Nitrogen from the soil but only 5 or 6 inches down, so it would not be good over planted seeds but deeper rooted plant won't be bothered.
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I have always wondered on the mulch thing. I mulch heavy here in my zone 8a. I do 4-6” I would guess as I just throw it on and eye it. After a few rains/winds it shrinks alittle. Anyone I have asked never had an exact yes or no on whether mulch and such robbed fertilizer from the bananas. We know one thing that the mulch has good stuff in it as well. A friend of mine Tony Avent from Plantdelights has never fertilized his banana mats but has used free compost from the city since 1987 till present. All his mats grow huge with that and irrigation in zone 7b microclimate in a valley.
that was not a yes or a no, sorry. this was an observation from my perspective of my banans growing in my soil, weather. etc.

at one time i was growing about 85 mats of bananas, not seperating, just letting them go.

many years ago i had a place that had near 100 orinocos growing somebody else planted. it was well draining but, when you walked among the bananas it was muddy and i ate fruit every year not doing anything to them. it took a real tall ladder to reach the fruit. now this place is about 25 miles from there, an orinoco only gets 3 ft. high but other varieties do well.
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10/4. Here Orinoco love lots of food and water and donít think you can hurt them. My buddy has had a huge mat for 25 years sitting on his septic field and they grow crazy!

Pretty awesome about your old setup!
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Also your positive you have Tall Orinoco and not dwarf or a sport.
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if i remember right the bottom of my bunches were about 8ft. above my head. before i new it was ok to cut the p-stem i supported the idea of useing an extension ladder to get them down, but i didnt beleive the p-stem would hold me that high. this was in 1984.
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