Bananas.org

Welcome to the Bananas.org forums.

You're currently viewing our message boards as a guest which gives you limited access to participate in discussions and access our other features such as our wiki and photo gallery. By joining our community, you'll have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload photos, and access many other special features. Registration is fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

Go Back   Bananas.org > Banana Forum > Main Banana Discussion
Register Photo Gallery Classifieds Wiki Chat Map Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Main Banana Discussion This is where we discuss our banana collections; tips on growing bananas, tips on harvesting bananas, sharing our banana photos and stories.


Members currently in the chatroom: 0
The most chatters online in one day was 17, 09-06-2009.
No one is currently using the chat.

Reply   Email this Page Email this Page
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 04-08-2024, 12:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
Foxhound's Avatar
 
Location: Central Florida
Zone: Zone 9
Name: Fox
Join Date: Mar 2024
Posts: 63
BananaBucks : 1,520
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 187 Times
Was Thanked 56 Times in 32 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 2 Times
Default Blue Java x Namwah growth, first post.

Hey guys, long time reader and first time poster. Just wanted to share my banana plant and it's growth with some other people who are also into bananas. (My wife is sick of hearing about them lol)

Anyway I'm seeing great growth on this one, and so far, it put out the biggest leaf yet! I think that means that I'm doing a good job taking care of it.

On a side note, the plant was bought from fastgrowingtrees, and they claim it's a hybrid Blue Java x Namwah, I don't think that is possible aside from maybe grafting two rhizomes together?

I don't know, what do you guys think?
Foxhound is online now   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Foxhound
Said thanks:

Join Bananas.org Today!

Are you a banana plant enthusiast? Then we hope you will join the community. You will gain access to post, create threads, private message, upload images, join groups and more.

Bananas.org is owned and operated by fellow banana plant enthusiasts. We strive to offer a non-commercial community to learn and share information. Receive all three issues from Volume 1 of Bananas Magazine with your membership:
   

Join Bananas.org Today! - Click Here


Sponsors

Old 04-08-2024, 04:17 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Nov 2022
Posts: 72
BananaBucks : 1,591
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 0 Times
Was Thanked 108 Times in 41 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times
Default Re: Blue Java x Namwah growth, first post.

If it isn't dead or stalled, that's a job well done.

I'm doubtful that they sold you a Blue Java x Namwa hybrid, but hopefully it'll still satisfy the senses. Banana plants can't really be grafted (they don't have the necessary cell types if I recall correctly), and even if they were, it would just be whatever variety is on top. More probable is that they, like other major companies, sell Namwa as Blue Java, but those aren't the same variety. Namwa can sometimes build up a waxy coating on the fruits that reflects a bluish sheen, like the kind that gives Blue Java its namesake.

Some of the forum members here breed bananas, and it's a fairly time intensive task. They do have to start with varieties that aren't completely sterile, and I don't know if Blue Java or Namwa are sterile. Hopefully they'll chip in with their knowledge.
__________________
Aspiring botanist | Trash horticulturist

I like to learn and teach about plants, but can't grow them well. Yet.
Reminosys is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Reminosys
Old 04-08-2024, 05:52 PM   #3 (permalink)
 
Foxhound's Avatar
 
Location: Central Florida
Zone: Zone 9
Name: Fox
Join Date: Mar 2024
Posts: 63
BananaBucks : 1,520
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 187 Times
Was Thanked 56 Times in 32 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 2 Times
Default Re: Blue Java x Namwah growth, first post.

Sorry guys, the pictures I tried to insert earlier didn't take. Here's some pics.


This is from yesterday with that new leaf popping out only about a week after the last.
Honestly I've never felt more rewarded growing any plants before.


Here's one I took when the leaf before the newest one popped up. Biggest one yet!




I'll go ahead and post the email sent by fastgrowingtree aswell, I think you guys would be interested in what they were saying.




Quote:
Hello Foxhound,

I appreciate you keeping me updated on the health of your banana tree.

Regarding the cultivar, the growers that supply our Ice Cream Banana trees, TC Labs, grow a hybrid of 'Blue Java' and 'Namwah' that is notably closer to 'Namwah'.

There is no specific name for the TC Lab's hybrid product, so it is listed as Musa 'Blue Java' x 'Namwah' on our product page due to the fact that it has qualities of both of these varieties. That also explains why there is little about this hybrid when you search it up, unfortunately.

This hybrid has an appearance closer to 'Namwah' because it lacks the blue-ish tint to the fruit that 'Blue Java' is known for, however it still contains the fruit flavor qualities of the 'Blue Java' that gives the fruit an "ice-cream" taste and texture. It also has a growth structure more similar to 'Namwah' since it grows to a smaller height of 10 - 15 ft. versus 'Blue Java' that gets to a taller mature height of 15 - 20 ft.

I hope this information was helpful!

Warm Regards,


FGT Plant Experts
www.Fast-Growing-Trees.com

While my plant definitely has a very powdery coating on the undersides of all the leaves, do you experts know anything about how this could be possible?
Foxhound is online now   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Foxhound
Old 04-08-2024, 06:10 PM   #4 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
pitangadiego's Avatar
 
Location: San Diego, CA
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,483
BananaBucks : 130,439
Feedback: 9 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 2 Times
Was Thanked 2,717 Times in 925 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times
Default Re: Blue Java x Namwah growth, first post.

Guessing the X is really there to say that it is possibly either variety, not a cross. As Reminosys indicated Namwa is often sold as Ice Cream/Blue Java. Guessing it will turn out to be Namwa, which is a very nice variety to have.
__________________
Encanto Farms Nursery
http://encantofarms.com
We Be Bananas
http://webebananas.com
pitangadiego is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To pitangadiego
Old 04-15-2024, 07:36 PM   #5 (permalink)
 
Location: Deland, FL
Zone: 9A
Join Date: Aug 2023
Posts: 3
BananaBucks : 373
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 5 Times
Was Thanked 10 Times in 3 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times
Default Re: Blue Java x Namwah growth, first post.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Foxhound View Post
Sorry guys, the pictures I tried to insert earlier didn't take. Here's some pics.


This is from yesterday with that new leaf popping out only about a week after the last.
Honestly I've never felt more rewarded growing any plants before.


Here's one I took when the leaf before the newest one popped up. Biggest one yet!




I'll go ahead and post the email sent by fastgrowingtree aswell, I think you guys would be interested in what they were saying.







While my plant definitely has a very powdery coating on the undersides of all the leaves, do you experts know anything about how this could be possible?
Its definitely a Namwah. there is alot of controversy over "Blue Java" 99% of the time when someone tells me they have blue java its a Namwah. True Blue Java cannot be replicated by tissue culture. What you have here is 100% a Namwah. Not a cross. What they are feeding you is a line of BS.
CentralFLtropical is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To CentralFLtropical
Sponsors

Old 04-16-2024, 08:36 AM   #6 (permalink)
 
Foxhound's Avatar
 
Location: Central Florida
Zone: Zone 9
Name: Fox
Join Date: Mar 2024
Posts: 63
BananaBucks : 1,520
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 187 Times
Was Thanked 56 Times in 32 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 2 Times
Default Re: Blue Java x Namwah growth, first post.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CentralFLtropical View Post
Its definitely a Namwah. there is alot of controversy over "Blue Java" 99% of the time when someone tells me they have blue java its a Namwah. True Blue Java cannot be replicated by tissue culture. What you have here is 100% a Namwah. Not a cross. What they are feeding you is a line of BS.
Ahh, that's what I was thinking. It seemed like something that was out of the realm of possibilities.

Seems illegal to be honest.

Thank you for your outlook. As another central Florida guy, if you know where to get true blue java pups let me know!
Foxhound is online now   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Foxhound
Old 04-16-2024, 02:13 PM   #7 (permalink)
banana cereal killer
 
beam2050's Avatar
 
Location: middleburg fl.
Zone: 9b-8a
Name: walkinbeam
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 2,432
BananaBucks : 989
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 10,754 Times
Was Thanked 3,363 Times in 1,545 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 816 Times
Default Re: Blue Java x Namwah growth, first post.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Foxhound View Post
Ahh, that's what I was thinking. It seemed like something that was out of the realm of possibilities.

Seems illegal to be honest.

Thank you for your outlook. As another central Florida guy, if you know where to get true blue java pups let me know!
don't be disappointed namwa is a great variety to have.
__________________
...................................................

npk of wood ash 0/1/3 to 0/3/7

npk of banana leaf ash 1.75/0.75/0.5
beam2050 is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To beam2050
Old 04-16-2024, 03:09 PM   #8 (permalink)
 
Location: Deland, FL
Zone: 9A
Join Date: Aug 2023
Posts: 3
BananaBucks : 373
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 5 Times
Was Thanked 10 Times in 3 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times
Default Re: Blue Java x Namwah growth, first post.

Oh namwah is a fantastic variety! Don't be disappointed with it as I'm sure you will find it to be one of the best tasting bananas you have ever had. Depending on where you are in central Florida there are a few places around that I know of. Personally I have gotten my plant from the Reid farm in Deland. I am located in Deland so they are close. There is a guy in new smyrna that has them but doesn't always like to sell. He is a little pricier but he had his corm imported from a champion grower. Join some of the Facebook groups. There are a lot of people in Florida that will even ship you pups/ corms. @foxhould is your name actually fox? There is a guy in one of my private car groups that has the name Fox. Would be a small world if it is you.

Last edited by CentralFLtropical : 04-16-2024 at 03:12 PM.
CentralFLtropical is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To CentralFLtropical
Old 04-17-2024, 12:48 PM   #9 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Apr 2024
Posts: 1
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 0 Times
Was Thanked 4 Times in 1 Post
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times
Default Re: Blue Java x Namwah growth, first post.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Foxhound View Post
Hey guys, long time reader and first time poster. Just wanted to share my banana plant and it's growth with some other people who are also into bananas. (My wife is sick of hearing about them lol)

Anyway I'm seeing great growth on this one, and so far, it put out the biggest leaf yet! I think that means that I'm doing a good job taking care of it.

On a side note, the plant was bought from fastgrowingtrees, and they claim it's a hybrid Blue Java x Namwah, I don't think that is possible aside from maybe grafting two rhizomes together?

I don't know, what do you guys think?
I purchased the same plant about 5 years ago from them. Now I'm up to around 30, and they are namwah, not blue java. Still good, just not what I expected I purchased. Also Central Florida
chapmanfarms is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To chapmanfarms
Old 04-17-2024, 06:32 PM   #10 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Nov 2022
Posts: 72
BananaBucks : 1,591
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 0 Times
Was Thanked 108 Times in 41 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times
Default Re: Blue Java x Namwah growth, first post.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CentralFLtropical View Post
Its definitely a Namwah. there is alot of controversy over "Blue Java" 99% of the time when someone tells me they have blue java its a Namwah. True Blue Java cannot be replicated by tissue culture. What you have here is 100% a Namwah. Not a cross. What they are feeding you is a line of BS.
Wholeheartedly agree on the company being incorrect on the plant's info. Blue Java and Namwa are indeed hybrids, but of the ancestral species M. acuminata and M. balbisiana, and would be referred to Musa x paradisiaca. That said, they aren't particularly closely related, so it's improper to imply what they sell is related to both without a pedigree proving so.

I do want to touch on a misconception though, it IS possible to tissue culture Blue Java. The Musa Germplasm International Transit Centre in Belgium only distributes TC plantlets for phytosanitary reasons, and
Blue Java is made available (for research) in that way.


Whether these companies are misinformed or lying is unclear, but it certainly leaves an unsavory taste in many folks mouths.
__________________
Aspiring botanist | Trash horticulturist

I like to learn and teach about plants, but can't grow them well. Yet.
Reminosys is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Reminosys
Old 04-18-2024, 10:23 AM   #11 (permalink)
 
Zone: 9a
Join Date: Jan 2023
Posts: 3
BananaBucks : 674
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 10 Times
Was Thanked 7 Times in 2 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1 Times
Default Re: Blue Java x Namwah growth, first post.

Our "Blue Java" turned out to be Namwa. It's just aggravating. I emailed a seller on Etsy and she said she buys in good faith but can't confirm. Scientific name should be used instead of just throwing Blue Java out there to get buyers.

Namwa is a very good banana, we love it! I still want to grow the Blue Java as well though.

Ours has the powdery layer that makes the banana a blue tinge. NOT blue like the pics on the internet lol. Definitely doesn't taste like Ice Cream. Kind of appleish to me...Is that a word?
ecachuh is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To ecachuh
Old 04-22-2024, 01:42 PM   #12 (permalink)
 
Location: Southeastern NC
Zone: 8b
Join Date: Mar 2024
Posts: 62
BananaBucks : 2,136
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 58 Times
Was Thanked 76 Times in 38 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times
Default Re: Blue Java x Namwah growth, first post.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Foxhound View Post
Hey guys, long time reader and first time poster. Just wanted to share my banana plant and it's growth with some other people who are also into bananas. (My wife is sick of hearing about them lol)
I'm glad to have found this place too lol. I'll stop myself mid thought/sentence to save them the headache of hearing more about the bananas lol.
CarolinaShoreFruits is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To CarolinaShoreFruits
Said thanks:
Old 04-24-2024, 07:17 PM   #13 (permalink)
 
Location: Ormond Beach, FL - USA
Zone: 9b
Join Date: Nov 2019
Posts: 133
BananaBucks : 12,210
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 186 Times
Was Thanked 196 Times in 73 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 17 Times
Default Re: Blue Java x Namwah growth, first post.

I purchased my Blue Java from Going Bananas in Homestead, FL. It has produced fruit and I can verify that they sold me the real deal. I also grow namwas and there is a clear difference in color between the Blue Javas and the Namwas. Like the previous poster said, blue javas are not actually pure blue like you see on the internet, but the difference is distinct when you compare the two side by side. Both bananas taste great! However I would give the namwah a slight taste edge over the blue Java. Unfortunately Going Bananas does not ship so you will need to make an appointment via email and go there to pick one up. I drove 4-1/2 hours each way to get mine and it was worth it.

I have ordered from Fast Growing trees a couple of times and they have great customer service. However when you look on their website under Blue Java pollination info it says "Ice Cream Banana Trees are self-fertile. You will get fruit with only one plant. However, adding an additional Ice Cream Banana Tree will drastically increase the size of your crop." This is total nonsense and it makes me wonder if they have any clue about what they are selling.

__________________
Here's what I'm growing: Grand Naine, Namwa, Blue Java, Raja Puri, Patupi, & a mystery nanner

Last edited by Art_R : 04-24-2024 at 07:59 PM. Reason: unsuccessfully tried to add photo
Art_R is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Art_R
Old 05-05-2024, 03:29 PM   #14 (permalink)
 
Foxhound's Avatar
 
Location: Central Florida
Zone: Zone 9
Name: Fox
Join Date: Mar 2024
Posts: 63
BananaBucks : 1,520
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 187 Times
Was Thanked 56 Times in 32 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 2 Times
Default Re: Blue Java x Namwah growth, first post.



First Sucker!
Foxhound is online now   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Foxhound
Old 05-06-2024, 10:40 AM   #15 (permalink)
 
Location: SE UK
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 295
BananaBucks : 15,032
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 2,132 Times
Was Thanked 374 Times in 174 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 327 Times
Default Re: Blue Java x Namwah growth, first post.

Great to see that little green appearing in the spring sun!
all43 is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To all43
Said thanks:
Old 05-07-2024, 10:35 AM   #16 (permalink)
 
Foxhound's Avatar
 
Location: Central Florida
Zone: Zone 9
Name: Fox
Join Date: Mar 2024
Posts: 63
BananaBucks : 1,520
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 187 Times
Was Thanked 56 Times in 32 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 2 Times
Default Re: Blue Java x Namwah growth, first post.

Quote:
Originally Posted by all43 View Post
Great to see that little green appearing in the spring sun!
Oh you're right.

Even more exciting since it's the first little guy I've grown!
Foxhound is online now   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Foxhound
Said thanks:

Join Bananas.org Today!

Are you a banana plant enthusiast? Then we hope you will join the community. You will gain access to post, create threads, private message, upload images, join groups and more.

Bananas.org is owned and operated by fellow banana plant enthusiasts. We strive to offer a non-commercial community to learn and share information. Receive all three issues from Volume 1 of Bananas Magazine with your membership:
   

Join Bananas.org Today! - Click Here


Sponsors

Old 05-08-2024, 02:08 PM   #17 (permalink)
 
Foxhound's Avatar
 
Location: Central Florida
Zone: Zone 9
Name: Fox
Join Date: Mar 2024
Posts: 63
BananaBucks : 1,520
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 187 Times
Was Thanked 56 Times in 32 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 2 Times
Default Re: Blue Java x Namwah growth, first post.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CentralFLtropical View Post
Oh namwah is a fantastic variety! Don't be disappointed with it as I'm sure you will find it to be one of the best tasting bananas you have ever had. Depending on where you are in central Florida there are a few places around that I know of. Personally I have gotten my plant from the Reid farm in Deland. I am located in Deland so they are close. There is a guy in new smyrna that has them but doesn't always like to sell. He is a little pricier but he had his corm imported from a champion grower. Join some of the Facebook groups. There are a lot of people in Florida that will even ship you pups/ corms. @foxhould is your name actually fox? There is a guy in one of my private car groups that has the name Fox. Would be a small world if it is you.
Oh man, didn't mean to ignore you!

Haha probably not, I have an '02 Eclipse. But it's not in any sort of showing condition! lol

Once I fix the breaks and change the valve cover gasket I'll probably do something more with it.
Foxhound is online now   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Foxhound
Said thanks:
Reply   Email this Page Email this Page






Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Namwah and Blue Java wstrickland1 Main Banana Discussion 10 06-22-2023 06:28 PM
Is this Namwah or Blue Java? cadjimax Banana Identification 12 07-23-2021 11:21 AM
Namwah or Blue Java? WillowSpirit Main Banana Discussion 5 06-29-2021 03:36 PM
Namwah are Blue Java Joe211 Banana Identification 5 09-14-2020 10:41 AM
Banana Pups Blue Java, Dwarf red, dwarf namwah, tall namwah Spaugh Banana Plants For Sale & Auction 6 08-23-2020 12:19 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:08 PM.





All content © Bananas.org & the respective author.