kizanne

Here is a link to a less dramatic but still compelling discussion of the systemic nature of neonics

http://www.xerces.org/wp-content/upl...s-Society1.pdf

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kizanne

Here's a government link explaining that during a scientific study one neonic, thiacloprid was found to be undegraded by light, water, or biological controls.

Persistence of two neonicotinoid insecticides in... [Chemosphere. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI

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Other banana's I own:
orinoco
dwarf red
ice cream (maybe a Namwah)
goldfinger
california gold
raji puri
manzano apple

kizanne

Here's a recent Dutch University Study
Present scale of use of neonicotinoid pesticides put pollinator services at risk - Geosciences - Utrecht University


Neonics aren't the only problem bees are facing but their persistence combined with artificial nutrition, higher transmission rates of disease and parasites are all combining to create a difficult situation for them to thrive. Neonics being persistent and transferrable to pollen and nectar will just continue to build in the environment making each year worse in areas using them. And due to its persistence in water and poop making them transferrable to areas not using them.

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Plants in flower: double mahoi
Pups successfully removed: double mahoi

Other banana's I own:
orinoco
dwarf red
ice cream (maybe a Namwah)
goldfinger
california gold
raji puri
manzano apple

Nicolas Naranja

What is lost here is that neonicotinoids are far less acutely toxic to humans than the chemicals that they replaced. When I started working in entomology, I was working to prove to farmers that they could replace products like Aldicarb, Furadan, and Phorate with the far less toxic neonicotinoids. We have largely moved from using chemicals that were toxic to humans at the milligram level to chemicals that are toxic at the gram level. The neonics are also much safer to non-target insects. The older insecticides would kill every insect in a field, while the newer neonics tend to only kill insects that are consuming the treated plants. For the applicator, the switch has been very welcome as he/she no longer has to wear coveralls, a respirator, and goggles to put out insecticide.

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Darkman

My extremely limited experience is with Imidacloprid. I cannot believe that at the recommended application rates there is any long term accumilation. What do I base that on. The presence of CLM's having a huge feast on my Citrus plants after a four month old application. I'm sure you can find a study somewhere that will support whatever it is that you believe and I don't mean that in a negative or derogatory manner. Many studies have shown that IMID breaks down rapidly in sunlight and is not very persitent nor leaching in soil tests. The Florida citrus industy uses IMID as many as four times a year. If it was so persistent why would they spend the money?

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AS ALWAYS IMHO AND YOUR MILEAGE MAY DIFFER!!!!!!!!

Life - Some assembly required, As is no warranty, Batteries not included, Instructions shipped separately and are frequently wrong!

Kentucky Bourbon - It may not solve the problem but it helps to make it tolerable!

Statistics - Data that analyst twist to support the insane opinions of those that pay them.

waggoner41

The report is dramatic enough but neonicitinoids are only one chemical out of the hundreds being used.

I live in Costa Rica but confined to my home on oxygen so don't have much opportunity to watch for bees here.

There are a number of kids living here that I have asked to watch for bees and let me know when they see any and explained the situation in North America and Europe.

As far as I know Central America has not been affected by CCD.

Outside of the banana and coffee plantations there are many small vegetable gardeners who depend heavily on bees and bats as pollinators.

Bats are also being decimated by white nose disease in North America and you have to wonder if the dependence on chemicals may be a part of that problem.

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Bradford

Saw a lot more bees this past summer than before. Found out someone near me started bee keeping and making honey. Out of everything in the yard they love my basjoo blooms the most.

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Snookie

Their vacationing in Lizard Creek:}

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Snookie

Made Two more Condo's for the Bee's to rent yesterday:}

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