Banana Primer with Pix

pitangadiego · 08-04-2008, 02:36 PM

http://webebananas.com/culture.html

I finally have my banana seminar from last year roughed in with the pictures from the presentation. I hope to add quite a bit of material this fall, after fig season is over. This was a 50 minute presentation, so couldn't get to in depth - thus the need to add some additional material when I get time.

Enjoy.

momoese · 08-04-2008, 03:11 PM

Nice job Jon! Thanks for sharing that.

buzzwinder · 08-04-2008, 03:21 PM

Thanks, Good Job,

stumpy4700 · 08-04-2008, 03:45 PM

Great presentation...Thanks

Richard · 08-04-2008, 04:51 PM

Jon, it just keeps on improving!

For those of you who haven't had the pleasure, Jon is an excellent conference speaker. His talk this year at the Festival of Fruit 2008 will be worth the price of admission.

Matt in SD · 08-05-2008, 12:05 AM

Thanks for posting that. I like the "keep it simple" style. It's also nice to see some of the things I've learned myself confirmed by a very experienced grower...scissors for pruning, cutting pups with minimal digging around the parent.

I'm curious about propping. How often do you find plants fall over if they are not propped? I had a couple fall over before I figured out how to get the pups off without cutting the roots of the mother (narrow shovel, sever the attachment and pull it out). But since then none have actually fallen. Maybe because I don't get much wind? Is the prop just to prevent falling or does it improve the ripening time or something?

Matt

Chironex · 08-05-2008, 02:43 AM

That was very interesting. Thank you for your contribution, I learned some things from it.

musa_monkey · 08-05-2008, 05:38 AM

Excellent primer, many thanks for posting it.

CookieCows · 08-05-2008, 07:35 AM

Thank you so much!
Deb

Dean W. · 08-05-2008, 10:01 AM

Great!

pitangadiego · 08-05-2008, 10:03 AM

Propping is from the realm of physics and structural engineering. Different plants have different thicknesses (some are very slender, some quite fat). Also depending on the style (mostly width) of the leaf stem (the part that forms the pseudostem) the truniks are stronger or weaker. When you take something long, and slender and subject it to wind, it can bend or break. The most extreme example is hurricane damage (even to thick and strong things). The other issue is hanging a large weight on the end of a long object (pole, etc.). Pickup a 10 lb sack of sugar with y9ur hands, and then pick it up on the end of a fishing pole. Big difference. So with bananas: when you hang a large weight on the end of a slender pole (trunk) you have tremendous leverage which will act to bend of break your pole (trunk). (Now put that weight on a long trunk and put it in the wind at the same time). The point of the prop is to carry the wieght of the bananas, rather than allowing the weak banana trunk to carry the weight. You are not propping the trunk, but the weight of the bananas. Sort of like you "helping" your small child to carry something. You are doing the work, and he is holding onto the handle, thinking that he is actually carrying the load.

Bananaman88 · 08-05-2008, 10:31 AM

Awesome, Jon! Great photos and lots of good information. Thanks for sharing.

mskitty38583 · 08-05-2008, 12:00 PM

10' from the plant...geesh im glad i didnt plant my nanas where i was going to! right next to my water meter. lol. that was awesome!!!! thank you for posting that it was great and i learned a lot too! btw im still looking out my window and i dont see any plant sale anywhere! LOL!!!

pitangadiego · 08-05-2008, 11:22 PM

I'm looking out my window and definitely seeing a plant sale. Feel free to visit on Saturday. ;-))))

Taylor · 08-05-2008, 11:24 PM

How do we order from you? (Been wondering for quite a while...guess I just ask via email?)

pitangadiego · 08-06-2008, 02:36 PM

E-mail from Encanto Farms Nursery

harveyc · 08-06-2008, 03:19 PM

I suggest going in person. Jon's wife is also pleasant and a very supportive/understanding person of his passion for bananas (and figs, etc.). Jon has big pups!

mskitty38583 · 08-06-2008, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pitangadiego

E-mail from Encanto Farms Nursery

you sell your nanas??????? ok i get it....or hopefully soon ill get it. lol! thank you for the question taylor! i was wondering back last winter and never stopped to ask. duh had a nana moment.

would love to visit...i havent seen the big sd since 1985.

Dean W. · 08-06-2008, 03:29 PM

It would be great to visit. The closest I've been is LA.

pitangadiego · 08-07-2008, 12:59 AM

mskitty, you are way overdue a visit.

It is pretty tough, having to live in San Diego, and all. My friends in the colder climates only have to garden six months of the year. And then they have six months off in the winter. Nobody in Michigan has to worry about watering plants in January, or even mowing the lawn (I don't have any, unless you count the sugar cane as a grass (it is), and you have a very big lawn mower).

San Diego has so many wonderful things to see, do, enjoy; an extremely varied commercial fruit, plant, and nursery industry (Cactus to Macadamias, Dragon Fruit to Figs, almost anything grown anywhere in the world).

Fall is a fabulous time to visit, when the weather is cooler, the Santa Ana winds make the sky sparkle, and rain almost never, ever spoils you ability to go, see and do anything your heart desires.

Did I mention the World Famous Zoo, Sea World, surfing, breweries, Quail Gardens, Miramar Air show...

Visitors are always welcome.

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Matt in SD Location: San Diego, California Zone: 10b Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 14 BananaBucks : 1,062 Feedback: 1 / 100% Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post Welcomes: 0	Re: Banana Primer with Pix Thanks for posting that. I like the "keep it simple" style. It's also nice to see some of the things I've learned myself confirmed by a very experienced grower...scissors for pruning, cutting pups with minimal digging around the parent. I'm curious about propping. How often do you find plants fall over if they are not propped? I had a couple fall over before I figured out how to get the pups off without cutting the roots of the mother (narrow shovel, sever the attachment and pull it out). But since then none have actually fallen. Maybe because I don't get much wind? Is the prop just to prevent falling or does it improve the ripening time or something? Matt

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pitangadiego Senior Member Location: San Diego, CA Find me on the map! Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 488 BananaBucks : 4,435 Feedback: 5 / 100% Thanks: 0 Thanked 177 Times in 70 Posts Welcomes: 0	Re: Banana Primer with Pix Propping is from the realm of physics and structural engineering. Different plants have different thicknesses (some are very slender, some quite fat). Also depending on the style (mostly width) of the leaf stem (the part that forms the pseudostem) the truniks are stronger or weaker. When you take something long, and slender and subject it to wind, it can bend or break. The most extreme example is hurricane damage (even to thick and strong things). The other issue is hanging a large weight on the end of a long object (pole, etc.). Pickup a 10 lb sack of sugar with y9ur hands, and then pick it up on the end of a fishing pole. Big difference. So with bananas: when you hang a large weight on the end of a slender pole (trunk) you have tremendous leverage which will act to bend of break your pole (trunk). (Now put that weight on a long trunk and put it in the wind at the same time). The point of the prop is to carry the wieght of the bananas, rather than allowing the weak banana trunk to carry the weight. You are not propping the trunk, but the weight of the bananas. Sort of like you "helping" your small child to carry something. You are doing the work, and he is holding onto the handle, thinking that he is actually carrying the load. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com We Be Bananas http://webebananas.com

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Bananaman88 Bananaculturist Bananaman88's Photo Gallery Location: Pearland, TX Find me on the map! Zone: 9 Name: Brent Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,107 BananaBucks : 8,871 Feedback: 15 / 100% Thanks: 114 Thanked 313 Times in 216 Posts Welcomes: 8	Re: Banana Primer with Pix Awesome, Jon! Great photos and lots of good information. Thanks for sharing.

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mskitty38583 banana junkie mskitty38583 's Photo Gallery Location: sparta, tn. Find me on the map! Zone: 6-7 Name: mskitty Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,598 BananaBucks : 16,953 Feedback: 24 / 100% Thanks: 23 Thanked 466 Times in 396 Posts Welcomes: 59	Re: Banana Primer with Pix 10' from the plant...geesh im glad i didnt plant my nanas where i was going to! right next to my water meter. lol. that was awesome!!!! thank you for posting that it was great and i learned a lot too! btw im still looking out my window and i dont see any plant sale anywhere! LOL!!! __________________ WELCOME TO THE GATOR NATION "kokomo" beach boys:

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pitangadiego Senior Member Location: San Diego, CA Find me on the map! Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 488 BananaBucks : 4,435 Feedback: 5 / 100% Thanks: 0 Thanked 177 Times in 70 Posts Welcomes: 0	Re: Banana Primer with Pix I'm looking out my window and definitely seeing a plant sale. Feel free to visit on Saturday. ;-)))) __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com We Be Bananas http://webebananas.com

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harveyc Been nuts, gone bananas harveyc's Photo Gallery Location: Isleton, Calif Find me on the map! Zone: 9 Name: Harvey Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1,195 BananaBucks : 2,751 Feedback: 4 / 100% Thanks: 609 Thanked 320 Times in 194 Posts Welcomes: 40	Re: Banana Primer with Pix I suggest going in person. Jon's wife is also pleasant and a very supportive/understanding person of his passion for bananas (and figs, etc.). Jon has big pups! __________________

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pitangadiego Senior Member Location: San Diego, CA Find me on the map! Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 488 BananaBucks : 4,435 Feedback: 5 / 100% Thanks: 0 Thanked 177 Times in 70 Posts Welcomes: 0	Re: Banana Primer with Pix mskitty, you are way overdue a visit. It is pretty tough, having to live in San Diego, and all. My friends in the colder climates only have to garden six months of the year. And then they have six months off in the winter. Nobody in Michigan has to worry about watering plants in January, or even mowing the lawn (I don't have any, unless you count the sugar cane as a grass (it is), and you have a very big lawn mower). San Diego has so many wonderful things to see, do, enjoy; an extremely varied commercial fruit, plant, and nursery industry (Cactus to Macadamias, Dragon Fruit to Figs, almost anything grown anywhere in the world). Fall is a fabulous time to visit, when the weather is cooler, the Santa Ana winds make the sky sparkle, and rain almost never, ever spoils you ability to go, see and do anything your heart desires. Did I mention the World Famous Zoo, Sea World, surfing, breweries, Quail Gardens, Miramar Air show... Visitors are always welcome. __________________ Encanto Farms Nursery http://encantofarms.com We Be Bananas http://webebananas.com