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JCA433 05-15-2011 05:44 PM

Banana fertilizing
 
Where do you apply the fertilizer? Along the drip line only or spread it one foot past the trunk to the drip line? I do not want to burn the plant and will use a slow release fertilizer 5 lbs(3 months) 6-2-12. Is 5 pounds enough for 3 months for only one mat ?

Richard 05-15-2011 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JCA433 (Post 162606)
Where do you apply the fertilizer? Along the drip line only or spread it one foot past the trunk to the drip line? I do not want to burn the plant and will use a slow release fertilizer 5 lbs(3 months) 6-2-12. Is 5 pounds enough for 3 months for only one mat ?

For fruiting plants past the juvenile stage (base diameter over 1 inch), use no more than 12.5 pounds of 6-2-12 per year per plant. Do not apply all in one feeding, but instead divide into 4 to 8 feedings per year. If your fertilizer is water soluble, then dissolve in water before applying to the root zone. Use enough water to deliver the fertilizer to the roots but avoid runoff. If it is a granular, then apply where the irrigation water will hit it, preferably evenly in a 32-inch radius around each plant.

If your banana plants are non-fruiting ornamentals, then the 6-2-12 is a poor choice. Choose something instead with an N-P-K that is relatively High-Low-Medium such as 9-3-6, 20-10-15, or 28-8-18.

JCA433 05-15-2011 10:39 PM

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My banana plant is over 7 feet tall and the trunk is huge and very thick. The leaves are huge also. This banana is an dwarf orinoco and is expected to fruit this year possiblly in the next month. Does the banana have feeder roots inside the drip line? I read someplace not to apply fertilizer near the trunk and during active growth 1.5 pounds 6-2-12 fertilizer per month. My fertilizer is a slow release fertilizer.

Richard 05-15-2011 11:16 PM

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Musa does not have a true drip line like a shrub or tree. It is an herb. The life of the plant is the corm - a modified bulb, which has a somewhat shallow, local root system. Your slow-release fertilizer is not a problem in your situation. After the plant flowers the plant will continue to feed for months while the fruit matures.

Bob3 05-16-2011 05:42 PM

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If your banana plants are non-fruiting ornamentals, then the 6-2-12 is a poor choice. Choose something instead with an N-P-K that is relatively High-Low-Medium such as 9-3-6, 20-10-15, or 28-8-18.
What are the most common optimum N_P_K blends for fruiting cultivars?
We've got a few Dwarf Orinocos here too & they have the irritating habit of flowering late in the season, going dormant over winter so fruit usually hangs almost a year before it's ready to chow down on.
Happily with the orinocos they lend themselves well to both cooking (green) as well as eating out of hand (yellow).
We usually leave them on the plant 'till some traces of yellowing for eating out of hand.

Richard 05-16-2011 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob3 (Post 162707)
What are the most common optimum N_P_K blends for fruiting cultivars?

In your subtropical location: 20-5-30. It is available from Grow More, Peters, and perhaps a few other brands.

Dreaminofthetropics 05-16-2011 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 162712)
In your subtropical location: 20-5-30. It is available from Grow More, Peters, and perhaps a few other brands.

Where would you find these? Also, do you guys have any input on fertilizing organically? I used ALOT of compost around all of my bananas and also put worm castings, is that enough? I think Chris (Rmplmnz) that gave me the bananas only uses compost/manure/leaves for his and he has fruit and flowers on quite a few of his trees. Any input?

Richard 05-16-2011 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dreaminofthetropics (Post 162731)
Where would you find these? [20-5-30. It is available from Grow More, Peters, and perhaps a few other brands.]

Google Shopping is one approach.

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Originally Posted by Dreaminofthetropics (Post 162731)
Also, do you guys have any input on fertilizing organically?

We know from biological studies that fruiting Musa have the capacity for 1 net pound of Nitrogen and 1.5 net pounds of Potash per year, and the necessity for a wide range of minor- and micro-nutrients.

Fish Emulsion plus Sul-Po-Mag is one way to achieve the 2:3 ratio with natural ingredients. Both are widely available -- probably at a nursery in your area. For Fish Emulsion products that are 5% Nitrogen (e.g., 5-1-1) use 3/4 cup Sul-Po-Mag for every 3 cups Fish Emulsion. Consider this dosage a maximum per plant per month for non-juvenile plants (base diameter greater than 1 inch).

If you want to be "organic", then that is a whole other discussion: Organic.

Bob3 05-17-2011 11:08 AM

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Where would you find these?
Here's another source:
Product Search Results - PlantsThatProduce.com :ha:

Dreaminofthetropics 05-18-2011 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob3 (Post 162748)

How much of the grow more banana fuel would you use per banana and how often? Also I notice this is lacking in potassium what is a good source of potassium? Any other supplements you use?

Richard 05-18-2011 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dreaminofthetropics (Post 162935)
How much of the grow more banana fuel would you use per banana and how often? Also I notice this is lacking in potassium ...

It is 30% potash equivalent, or roughly 25% elemental potassium. Of course, it is not in the elemental form which can start a fire on exposure to air at room temperature!

If you are in a subtropical zone, 20-5-30 (or similar ratios such as 8-2-12) with minor- and micro-nutrients is ideal. If you are in tropical or near tropical zones with abundant nitrogen in the environment, then 15-10-30 is a better choice.


BANANA FUEL DOSAGES DURING ACTIVE GROWTH SEASONS:
Very Young Plants, TC's: 1/4 teaspoon per gallon of water every watering.
Young Plant in 2 gallon pot: 2 tablespoons per month.
Plant (not juvenile) in 10 to 20 gallon pot: 1/4 cup per month.
Plant in ground with significant root space: 3/4 cup per month.
Hydroponics @ 150 ppm K: 1 Tbs per 6.5 gallons of water.

cherokee_greg 05-18-2011 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dreaminofthetropics (Post 162935)
How much of the grow more banana fuel would you use per banana and how often? Also I notice this is lacking in potassium what is a good source of potassium? Any other supplements you use?

here ya go
http://www.bananas.org/f312/water-so...tml#post125982

cherokee_greg 05-18-2011 04:05 PM

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oh Richard allready answered sorry.

Dreaminofthetropics 05-18-2011 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 162937)
It is 30% potash equivalent, or roughly 25% elemental potassium. Of course, it is not in the elemental form which can start a fire on exposure to air at room temperature!

If you are in a subtropical zone, 20-5-30 (or similar ratios such as 8-2-12) with minor- and micro-nutrients is ideal. If you are in tropical or near tropical zones with abundant nitrogen in the environment, then 15-10-30 is a better choice.


BANANA FUEL DOSAGES DURING ACTIVE GROWTH SEASONS:
Very Young Plants, TC's: 1/4 teaspoon per gallon of water every watering.
Young Plant in 2 gallon pot: 2 tablespoons per month.
Plant (not juvenile) in 10 to 20 gallon pot: 1/4 cup per month.
Plant in ground with significant root space: 3/4 cup per month.
Hydroponics @ 150 ppm K: 1 Tbs per 6.5 gallons of water.


So on these dosages would I do that amount per gallon of water? Like if I'm fertilizing say a plant in the ground, the 3/4 cup would I add this to a gallon or 5 gallons or whatever amount of water I'm using? Or is there a dilution ratio? I ordered the banana fuel, so that should be here shortly. With these that are new in the ground am I going to use the 3/4 cup per month even though they were just planted (they are big corms!) I really appreciate your time and input on this info Richard.

Dreaminofthetropics 05-18-2011 05:33 PM

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LOL nevermind Richard I'm sorry! I'm reading the thread Greg posted a link too now, so no need to answer!

imclueless17 05-22-2011 05:12 PM

Re: Banana fertilizing
 
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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 162614)
For fruiting plants past the juvenile stage (base diameter over 1 inch), use no more than 12.5 pounds of 6-2-12 per year per plant. Do not apply all in one feeding, but instead divide into 4 to 8 feedings per year. If your fertilizer is water soluble, then dissolve in water before applying to the root zone. Use enough water to deliver the fertilizer to the roots but avoid runoff. If it is a granular, then apply where the irrigation water will hit it, preferably evenly in a 32-inch radius around each plant.

If your banana plants are non-fruiting ornamentals, then the 6-2-12 is a poor choice. Choose something instead with an N-P-K that is relatively High-Low-Medium such as 9-3-6, 20-10-15, or 28-8-18.

If high-low-medium is good can you use Miracle Grow 24-8-16 as a well rounded banana fert? Or do you need other supplements.

Richard 05-22-2011 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by imclueless17 (Post 163244)
If high-low-medium is good can you use Miracle Grow 24-8-16 as a well rounded banana fert? Or do you need other supplements.

That would be great for ornamental bananas such as ensete and basjoo. Use a maximum of 4 pounds per year of this fertilizer on non-juvenile plants in the ground or 40+ gallon pot.

cherokee_greg 05-22-2011 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 163253)
That would be great for ornamental bananas such as ensete and basjoo. Use a maximum of 4 pounds per year of this fertilizer on non-juvenile plants in the ground or 40+ gallon pot.

is the banana fuel ok for the ornamental bananas too ?

Richard 05-22-2011 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by cherokee_greg (Post 163257)
is the banana fuel ok for the ornamental bananas too ?

There are multiple "banana fuel" formulas.

The 20-5-30 (and other Med-Low-High NPK) are best for producing crops of edible bananas; plus Pit & Pome fruits, brambles, and fruiting vegetables such as tomatoes, eggplants, chilis, etc. An ornamental banana type, esp. Ensetes will not utilize all the potash and overtime you will have a build-up in your soil.

The 28-8-18 (and other High-Low-Med NPK) are best for ornamental banana types, and for fruiting Citrus, Avocado, Guavas, Mangos, and several other fruiting plants of a tropical nature.

The 15-10-30 formula for fruiting bananas is an alternative for people living in a tropical region where nitrogen is more plentiful in the soil environment.

cherokee_greg 05-23-2011 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 163270)
There are multiple "banana fuel" formulas.

The 20-5-30 (and other Med-Low-High NPK) are best for producing crops of edible bananas; plus Pit & Pome fruits, brambles, and fruiting vegetables such as tomatoes, eggplants, chilis, etc. An ornamental banana type, esp. Ensetes will not utilize all the potash and overtime you will have a build-up in your soil.

The 28-8-18 (and other High-Low-Med NPK) are best for ornamental banana types, and for fruiting Citrus, Avocado, Guavas, Mangos, and several other fruiting plants of a tropical nature.

The 15-10-30 formula for fruiting bananas is an alternative for people living in a tropical region where nitrogen is more plentiful in the soil environment.

thanks I have the 20-5-30 I beleve I did get it from you so I need to get some 28-8-18 now for my ornamentals. Thanks allot.

Update I did order some 28-8-18 for my ornamentals have to take care of my babies !!


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