EuroBanana

Hi everybody,

It has been told in many posts that Agristarts's "Ice cream" (Aka "Blue java") is not the true "Ice cream" but a variety of Pisang awak.

Is it the same situation for Agristarts's Dwarf namwah ?

Do they multiply the true thing or something else ?

Thanks for help,

Phil

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Phil

In the ground outside :
- Dwarf Brazilian
- Tall orinoco
- Rajapuri
- Manzano
- Tall namwah aka "US-ice cream"
- Dwarf orinoco.

Waiting to be planted :
- Goldfinger
- Mysore
- Pisang mas
- "Figue family"
- Dwarf namwah.

Just for fun in pots :
- Basjoo
-Sikkimensis red tiger

RAINFOREZT

Look what happened to my d namwah. I think its originated in Agristarst. I bought it from laws.

Dwarf Namwah

venturabananas

If I recall correctly, Nick has bought hundreds of Dwarf Namwah TC starts and aside from a few mixups, the vast majority were the right thing. Maybe he'll chime in, in case I remembered wrong.

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trebor

Agri-Starts has been a leader in Tissue Culture for years . I'm sure there have been a few mix ups from time to time . And I think that they come from the business that purchase from Agri-Starts rather than it coming from them.. They produce thousands of cultures weekly and have some of the brightest people in North America employed there. Hundreds of mid to large scale farms have faithfully bought cultures from them and used them in the fields with 100% positive results !

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If ya can't eat it, it ain't growing in my back yard !

EuroBanana

Thanks Rainforetz for your message.
I had a look on your link and saw your Dwarf Namwah.

Do you know what it is really ?

Phil

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Phil

In the ground outside :
- Dwarf Brazilian
- Tall orinoco
- Rajapuri
- Manzano
- Tall namwah aka "US-ice cream"
- Dwarf orinoco.

Waiting to be planted :
- Goldfinger
- Mysore
- Pisang mas
- "Figue family"
- Dwarf namwah.

Just for fun in pots :
- Basjoo
-Sikkimensis red tiger

EuroBanana

Thanks Mark,

Does Dwarf Namwah has pink midrib, leaves margin reddish and whitish underside ?

Phil

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Phil

In the ground outside :
- Dwarf Brazilian
- Tall orinoco
- Rajapuri
- Manzano
- Tall namwah aka "US-ice cream"
- Dwarf orinoco.

Waiting to be planted :
- Goldfinger
- Mysore
- Pisang mas
- "Figue family"
- Dwarf namwah.

Just for fun in pots :
- Basjoo
-Sikkimensis red tiger

EuroBanana

Thanks Trebor for your answer. I have no reason to doubt Agristart is a very serious company.

I was just wondering why they are going on selling, under the erroneous name of "blue Java" (aka ice cream) a (good indeed) variety of Pisang awak.

If there is an efficient quality control in the company they have to correct this denomination. Don't you agree ?

Please tell me if I am mistaking.

Thanks for the very interesting video.


Phil

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Phil

In the ground outside :
- Dwarf Brazilian
- Tall orinoco
- Rajapuri
- Manzano
- Tall namwah aka "US-ice cream"
- Dwarf orinoco.

Waiting to be planted :
- Goldfinger
- Mysore
- Pisang mas
- "Figue family"
- Dwarf namwah.

Just for fun in pots :
- Basjoo
-Sikkimensis red tiger

trebor

I absolutely agree with you! 100%
I would also love to see the removal of any trade names on plants! Only the scientific names should be used .. I truly believe people are smart enough to understand the names once they read them.. Or at a minimum it be a regulation to include scientific names on plants, foods, pets and any other living thing we purchase
No more cloning around <-- My attempt at tissue culture joke

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venturabananas

It can. The midrib color can vary depending on lots of factors, but that description is consistent with Dwarf Namwah -- other other varieties!

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venturabananas

I don't think this "problem" originated with Agristarts. I think whoever supplied them with the plant got the ID wrong. Given that "Ice Cream" when used in the US trade at least, almost always refers to a Pisang Awak clone, I think it might be confusing at this point to try to fix the error. I'd just use "Ice Cream" for the Awak clone and "Blue Java" for the real deal.

I still have yet to taste a Blue Java, but the more I read, the more I suspect that most people would prefer the flavor of Pisang Awak "Ice Cream" over the real "Blue Java".

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momoese

I tasted the fruit of both and fall into the Pisang Awak is a better tasting fruit camp. I didn't much care for the texture or flavor of Blue Java. Beautiful plant though.

RandyGHO

Keep in mind though without testing, there is still only speculation that Agistarts's blue java is not what they say it is. Anybody email them and ask?

Randy

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Thinking outside the peel always.

venturabananas

It's not Blue Java. It doesn't require testing per se -- it requires looking at the traits of flowering plants, and we've seen enough photos at this point to know that the Agristarts "Ice Cream" is a Pisang Awak plant, not the real Blue Java.

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EuroBanana

Yes Trebor, you are right.
This maybe easier to do with natural pure (?) species like Leo leo or Litchi sinensis. The problem with bananas is that they mainly come from hybridation and the denomination of certain clones is a little bit indigestible. Adding one have to manage analysis of plant genome to distinguish what really they are it appears that the problemof identification is maybe without solution unless you have a very powerfull genetics laboratory ....

Just as a curiosity have a look please at the (partial) genealogical tree of musa Goldfinger :

The FHIA-01 Goldfinger banana is a tetraploid (AAAB) hybrid of the cultivar Musa acuminata × balbisiana (AAB) 'Prata-anã' (a naturally occurring triploid clone from Brazil), and the cultivar SH-3142.

SH-3142 was developed from a cross between SH-1734 and Musa acuminata (AA) 'Pisang jari buaya' from Papua New Guinea.

SH-1734 in turn, was developed from Musa acuminata (AA) 'Lidi' (from Sumatra), Musa acuminata (AA) 'Sinwobogi' (from Papua New Guinea), and wild seeded Musa acuminata (from the Philippines).[1]

Its full designation is Musa acuminata × balbisiana (AAAB Group) 'FHIA-01 Goldfinger'.

Phil

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Phil

In the ground outside :
- Dwarf Brazilian
- Tall orinoco
- Rajapuri
- Manzano
- Tall namwah aka "US-ice cream"
- Dwarf orinoco.

Waiting to be planted :
- Goldfinger
- Mysore
- Pisang mas
- "Figue family"
- Dwarf namwah.

Just for fun in pots :
- Basjoo
-Sikkimensis red tiger

EuroBanana

Thanks Mark. I will wait until my so called Dwarf namwah will flower.

Phil

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Phil

In the ground outside :
- Dwarf Brazilian
- Tall orinoco
- Rajapuri
- Manzano
- Tall namwah aka "US-ice cream"
- Dwarf orinoco.

Waiting to be planted :
- Goldfinger
- Mysore
- Pisang mas
- "Figue family"
- Dwarf namwah.

Just for fun in pots :
- Basjoo
-Sikkimensis red tiger