Ae-Ae Are The Hard To Get people say they Are Rare..?

Musa_Cavandish · 08-27-2006, 10:37 PM

Help Plz.

momoese · 08-28-2006, 10:00 AM

What is your question?

Taylor · 08-28-2006, 10:53 AM

Hmmm...I have a question. When a pup resorts to its full green color,is it still an Ae Ae? Also, will the pups of the all green Ae Ae be variegated, or all green from then on?

Deep Thought....

momoese · 08-28-2006, 11:15 AM

From what I understand there are all green and variegated Ae Ae's. An all green pup will always be all green but I'm not sure if it's pups would be all green.

Gabe15 · 08-28-2006, 12:26 PM

All green 'Ae Ae' are called 'Green Ae Ae', but interestingly enough they end up being a very similar plant to 'Popoulu' in that perhaps 'Ae Ae' was originally a sport of 'Popoulu'. 'Green Ae Ae' will make only green pups, once the plant reverts back to green, the whole plant does, this includes pups.

Rmplmnz · 08-28-2006, 12:27 PM

An all green pup can sport back to variegated. I know this from personal experience.

Gabe15 · 08-28-2006, 12:39 PM

And all green 'Ae Ae' reverting back to variegation is very rare, and is most likely a seperate event not related to the fact that it was once variegated, plants sometimes do mutate to variegation, this is how the first 'Ae Ae' came about. Another possibility is that it still had the mutant cells within the meristem but not enough to show, but due to an environmental change they became more appearent. In any case, one shouldnt buy 'Green Ae Ae' expecting it to someday make variegated pups.

mikevan · 08-28-2006, 01:21 PM

They are a little hard to find because not many people carry them from what I've seen. They're a little finicky to grow from what I've read, and they're pretty expensive at the moment due to not many being on the market. I'd wait to see if this variety hits a TC lab and comes down in price some. Unless you've an extra $100 or so and a desire for a little gamble.

I'm keeping my eye on Ae Ae availability too and seeing where it goes in the next couple of years tho my environment here in Texas may be a bit too extreme for it...

Be well,
Mike

Quote:

Originally Posted by Musa_Cavandish

Are They Hard To Get people say they Are Rare..? Help Plz.

Rmplmnz · 08-28-2006, 02:02 PM

I was not advising anyone to purchase a green Ae Ae hoping it would sport back to variegated.

The pup I had was given top me by a professional grower from a variegated matte. He lamented that in his personal experience the green pups never turned variegated. I kept the pup in a pot for several months and dumped my coffee grounds on it, after a few months (when it reached about three feet) the pup started sending out variegated leaves. I grew the matte for about six years and received numerous variegated and a few all white pups (no green ones).

JoeReal · 08-28-2006, 02:27 PM

Once they turned green, they will not become Popular, only Popoulu,

kgbenson · 08-28-2006, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikevan

I'd wait to see if this variety hits a TC lab and comes down in price some.

This has been attempted, repeatedly I am told. Typically what one gets are all green or all white plants and very few, if any, variegated plants. The thing is likely a chimera, each shoot tip has to have some of each cell population (green and white) to produce the variegation.

TCing bananas is a cinch, if AeAe could be TCed consistantly someone would have done it by now. I remeber when ele ele and M. lasopcarpa etc. were waiting list bananas as well. Now they are as cheap as the others.

If I could get my hands on one I might TC it just to see exactly what happens.

Keith

MediaHound · 08-29-2006, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rmplmnz

I was not advising anyone to purchase a green Ae Ae hoping it would sport back to variegated.

The pup I had was given top me by a professional grower from a variegated matte. He lamented that in his personal experience the green pups never turned variegated. I kept the pup in a pot for several months and dumped my coffee grounds on it, after a few months (when it reached about three feet) the pup started sending out variegated leaves. I grew the matte for about six years and received numerous variegated and a few all white pups (no green ones).

coffee grounds?
tell us more!
never heard of that

kgbenson · 08-29-2006, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MediaHound

coffee grounds?
tell us more!
never heard of that

May be due to a change in pH?

Keith

bigdog · 08-29-2006, 06:19 PM

Coffee grounds make good fertilizer. I save all of mine and dump them around my plants, filter and all. I really don't have enough to worry about hurting the plants. Starbucks will give you all of their used coffee grounds upon request, BTW.

momoese · 08-29-2006, 06:53 PM

From what I understand Coffee grounds will acidify your soil over a period of time when used in large amounts. Ae Ae's like acidic soil and it's said they get more white when growing in acidic soil so it makes sense to throw your grounds around the plant help adjust the ph if you want more variegation.

08-27-2006, 10:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
Musa_Cavandish Banned Location: Newfoundland, Conception Bay South Find me on the map! Zone: Zone 6 Name: Wayne Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 51 BananaBucks : 30,216 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 0 Times Was Thanked 3 Times in 1 Post Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Ae-Ae Are The Hard To Get people say they Are Rare..? Help Plz.

08-28-2006, 10:00 AM	#2 (permalink)
momoese Dog Walker momoese's Photo Gallery Location: West Los Angeles CA Find me on the map! Zone: zone 10 Name: Mitchel Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 7,232 BananaBucks : 13,870 Feedback: 9 / 100% Said "Thanks" 3,091 Times Was Thanked 7,219 Times in 2,780 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 609 Times	Re: Ae-Ae Are The Hard To Get people say they Are Rare..? What is your question? __________________ Mitchel

08-28-2006, 10:53 AM	#3 (permalink)
Taylor LEARN, or LEAVE. Taylor 's Photo Gallery Location: VA Find me on the map! Zone: 8a Name: Taylor Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,076 BananaBucks : 80,759 Feedback: 15 / 100% Said "Thanks" 354 Times Was Thanked 624 Times in 317 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 283 Times	Re: Ae-Ae Are The Hard To Get people say they Are Rare..? Hmmm...I have a question. When a pup resorts to its full green color,is it still an Ae Ae? Also, will the pups of the all green Ae Ae be variegated, or all green from then on? Deep Thought.... __________________ "When Momcilo Krajisnik, Karadzic's successor, was asked about the chances of restoring a multiethnic unitary Bosnia, he responded with biting sarcasm: "You can't grow bananas here," he said, "bananas may grow in Africa but not here." He was not alone." -John G. Stoessinger, Why Nations Go To War

08-28-2006, 11:15 AM	#4 (permalink)
momoese Dog Walker momoese's Photo Gallery Location: West Los Angeles CA Find me on the map! Zone: zone 10 Name: Mitchel Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 7,232 BananaBucks : 13,870 Feedback: 9 / 100% Said "Thanks" 3,091 Times Was Thanked 7,219 Times in 2,780 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 609 Times	Re: Ae-Ae Are The Hard To Get people say they Are Rare..? From what I understand there are all green and variegated Ae Ae's. An all green pup will always be all green but I'm not sure if it's pups would be all green. __________________ Mitchel

08-28-2006, 12:26 PM	#5 (permalink)
Gabe15 MC Banana Commander Gabe15's Photo Gallery Location: Honolulu, Hawaii, USA Find me on the map! Zone: 11 Name: Gabe Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,119 BananaBucks : 175,300 Feedback: 5 / 100% Said "Thanks" 1 Times Was Thanked 4,857 Times in 1,399 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 8 Times	Re: Ae-Ae Are The Hard To Get people say they Are Rare..? All green 'Ae Ae' are called 'Green Ae Ae', but interestingly enough they end up being a very similar plant to 'Popoulu' in that perhaps 'Ae Ae' was originally a sport of 'Popoulu'. 'Green Ae Ae' will make only green pups, once the plant reverts back to green, the whole plant does, this includes pups. __________________ The only hemp Im growing is Manila.

Members currently in the chatroom: 0
	The most chatters online in one day was 17, 09-06-2009. No one is currently using the chat.

08-28-2006, 12:27 PM	#6 (permalink)
Rmplmnz Banana Patch Attendent Rmplmnz's Photo Gallery Location: Tampa, FL Find me on the map! Zone: 10 Name: Rmplmnz Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,193 BananaBucks : 42,428 Feedback: 40 / 100% Said "Thanks" 1,700 Times Was Thanked 1,539 Times in 439 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 36 Times	Re: Ae-Ae Are The Hard To Get people say they Are Rare..? An all green pup can sport back to variegated. I know this from personal experience.

08-28-2006, 12:39 PM	#7 (permalink)
Gabe15 MC Banana Commander Gabe15's Photo Gallery Location: Honolulu, Hawaii, USA Find me on the map! Zone: 11 Name: Gabe Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,119 BananaBucks : 175,300 Feedback: 5 / 100% Said "Thanks" 1 Times Was Thanked 4,857 Times in 1,399 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 8 Times	Re: Ae-Ae Are The Hard To Get people say they Are Rare..? And all green 'Ae Ae' reverting back to variegation is very rare, and is most likely a seperate event not related to the fact that it was once variegated, plants sometimes do mutate to variegation, this is how the first 'Ae Ae' came about. Another possibility is that it still had the mutant cells within the meristem but not enough to show, but due to an environmental change they became more appearent. In any case, one shouldnt buy 'Green Ae Ae' expecting it to someday make variegated pups. __________________ The only hemp Im growing is Manila.

08-28-2006, 02:02 PM	#9 (permalink)
Rmplmnz Banana Patch Attendent Rmplmnz's Photo Gallery Location: Tampa, FL Find me on the map! Zone: 10 Name: Rmplmnz Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,193 BananaBucks : 42,428 Feedback: 40 / 100% Said "Thanks" 1,700 Times Was Thanked 1,539 Times in 439 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 36 Times	Re: Ae-Ae Are The Hard To Get people say they Are Rare..? I was not advising anyone to purchase a green Ae Ae hoping it would sport back to variegated. The pup I had was given top me by a professional grower from a variegated matte. He lamented that in his personal experience the green pups never turned variegated. I kept the pup in a pot for several months and dumped my coffee grounds on it, after a few months (when it reached about three feet) the pup started sending out variegated leaves. I grew the matte for about six years and received numerous variegated and a few all white pups (no green ones).

08-28-2006, 02:27 PM	#10 (permalink)
JoeReal Senior Member JoeReal's Photo Gallery Location: Davis, California USDA zone 9 Find me on the map! Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,033 BananaBucks : 154,615 Feedback: 1 / 100% Said "Thanks" 108 Times Was Thanked 366 Times in 184 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 16 Times	Re: Ae-Ae Are The Hard To Get people say they Are Rare..? Once they turned green, they will not become Popular, only Popoulu,

08-29-2006, 06:19 PM	#14 (permalink)
bigdog Moderator bigdog's Photo Gallery Location: Unionville, TN Find me on the map! Zone: 7a Name: Frank Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,929 BananaBucks : 249,243 Feedback: 7 / 100% Said "Thanks" 172 Times Was Thanked 1,374 Times in 404 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 131 Times	Re: Ae-Ae Are The Hard To Get people say they Are Rare..? Coffee grounds make good fertilizer. I save all of mine and dump them around my plants, filter and all. I really don't have enough to worry about hurting the plants. Starbucks will give you all of their used coffee grounds upon request, BTW.

08-29-2006, 06:53 PM	#15 (permalink)
momoese Dog Walker momoese's Photo Gallery Location: West Los Angeles CA Find me on the map! Zone: zone 10 Name: Mitchel Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 7,232 BananaBucks : 13,870 Feedback: 9 / 100% Said "Thanks" 3,091 Times Was Thanked 7,219 Times in 2,780 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 609 Times	Re: Ae-Ae Are The Hard To Get people say they Are Rare..? From what I understand Coffee grounds will acidify your soil over a period of time when used in large amounts. Ae Ae's like acidic soil and it's said they get more white when growing in acidic soil so it makes sense to throw your grounds around the plant help adjust the ph if you want more variegation. __________________ Mitchel

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Uber rare and cool stuff!	momoese	Main Banana Discussion	31	09-13-2008 07:43 PM
Hey, palm people!	Carolina	Main Banana Discussion	7	07-05-2006 09:27 PM
Elephant ears, and other rare aroids, cannas.	Tropicallvr	Other Plants	0	04-29-2006 11:01 PM
Wanted: rare M. jackeyi seeds	tropicalkid	Banana Plants Wanted	0	08-08-2005 07:19 PM