what are the differences between Musa Cheesmanii and Musa Nagiensum

bikoro child · 01-21-2008, 11:12 PM

Hi you all; they look so similar that it's not clear to me...

Tropicallvr · 01-24-2008, 09:45 AM

It's not very clear to me either. Here's some pics of Musa nagesium. I think Musa nagesium has alot of yellow, and wax. Yellow midrib, yellow petiole, and yellow flower.
M. nagesium pics from Chinese border. http://tag.inibap.org/files/Wild_spe...usa_nagensium/

This will probably only add to the confusion. Now different pics of Musa nagesium from plant grown in Kerala India, but I don't think it is correct(but sure would like to have one of these anyways)- http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dr...siumimages.htm

Now more pics from Burmese/India border from Trebrown seed suppliers.-
http://www.trebrown.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=302

Looking back on your plant, I'm not sure anymore.
http://gardenbreizh.org/photos/niceben/photo-57766.html

Gabe15 · 01-24-2008, 08:15 PM

They are very different species. I think the confusion comes from the fact that many seed dealers label things incorrectly. Below are descriptions for each plant. The M. nagensium found in the wild is a different variety than what was originally seen years ago, the originally known form did not have yellow bracts.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~drc/mcheesmani.htm

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~drc/mnagensium.htm

bikoro child · 01-25-2008, 01:22 AM

okay so is this one cheesmanii?

Tropicallvr · 01-30-2008, 11:16 AM

I think so.

Mark Hall · 02-01-2008, 07:10 AM

I have just taken some pics of my Nagensium and I have to agree with david constantine. They are very waxy under the leaves almost white.

bigdog · 02-01-2008, 09:20 AM

Mark, what was your source for that plant? Great pictures!

I'm fairly certain that the banana labeled as Musa nagensium 'Floral Noir' is nothing more than Musa cheesmani. I'll have them growing side-by-side next year for somparison.

Mark Hall · 02-01-2008, 03:23 PM

Frank , I think the seeds came from Ebay in france by a seller called
Bananapalm292. He used to have lots of different types and they were a good price.

I should keep a record of where I get my seeds from really as I am often asked.

I have yet to find the true white seeds of Nagensium. Sunshine seeds list 3 types of Nagensium
http://www.shop.sunshine-seeds.de/

I have Cheesmanii too so I will have a look to see if there,s a difference.

I also have another Nagensium that has a darker midrib than the one in the previous pics.

bigdog · 02-01-2008, 06:41 PM

There's an article coming out in Novon in June, I believe, about Musa nagensium. Markku Hakkinen wrote it also. He is a busy guy!

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