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Old 06-19-2008, 08:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Musa sp.yangtse and Musa sp.Tibet

I finally have them both and they both have links to the people that introduced them Musa Tibet is from a friend called Chad he got it from kobakoba and koba got it from jean luc in Belgium.
Musa Yangtse is from a friend called peter and he got it from Martin Gibbons,
the provenance of M.yangtse isn’t in question it has been well documented were it came from and the person that collected it but same can’t be said of M.Tibet it has been said by a number of people that yangtse and Tibet are the same plant so the only thing to do is to grow them along side each other.
Then their is also the question as to whether they are Itinerans or Balbisiana and to test them to see how hardy they are.
Although they have been around in Europe for about 10 years I haven’t herd of anyone flowering them so the first couple of pups I get of I will send to anyone that is interested in zone’s 8-9 in Spain or the US only one person though, I think they will have a better chance at flowering them.



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Old 06-19-2008, 02:48 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
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Old 06-19-2008, 05:50 PM   #3 (permalink)
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it has been said by a number of people that yangtse and Tibet are the same plant so the only thing to do is to grow them along side each other.
Then their is also the question as to whether they are Itinerans or Balbisiana and to test them to see how hardy they are.




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excellent plan, we need clarification on a number of these chinese species. on first sight, they look different. I would add that the left hand one looks a bit like Nagensium in its leaf shape and that the right hand looks a bit like a yunnanensis (but then it would do right!) either way the leaf shape on neither of them looks like Balbisiana. I'm not sure where these fit in with the recent article on Itinerans species... Frank?
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Old 06-20-2008, 02:43 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Hi Kev,
If you are interested in trying Yangtse for your self I know Peter in Middlesex UK,
Has one or two for sale, I believe he is the only person in the Uk that is selling them,
He got his original plant from Martin Gibbons, who collected it in the wild,
Let me know if you are interested and I will pas his number on to you.


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Hi Kev,
If you are interested in trying Yangtse for your self I know Peter in Middlesex UK,
Has one or two for sale, I believe he is the only person in the Uk that is selling them,
He got his original plant from Martin Gibbons, who collected it in the wild,
Let me know if you are interested and I will pas his number on to you.


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I would love to get a pup. Will it survive the jump across the pond? If you think it will, please PM me with his email address. If a pup won't survive, then seeds would also be good.
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congrats on your new plants!
were are you located?
should they grow well in a climat with cool/mild summers?
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Hi Kev,
If you are interested in trying Yangtse for your self I know Peter in Middlesex UK,
Has one or two for sale, I believe he is the only person in the Uk that is selling them,
He got his original plant from Martin Gibbons, who collected it in the wild,
Let me know if you are interested and I will pas his number on to you.


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Hi Tony yes please I'd love to get hold of one
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Hi daen,
Your climate is very similar to my climate I live in Hull East Yorkshire
Given were we live it would be best to give it some form of protection in winter
My average winter low is –5 to 6 but every 2 to3 years I get –8 the coldest in the last 20 years is –14 just once thank God. Peter said Yangtse had survived –5.5 without any protection this last winter but he stressed the point that they are planted close to his house.


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Daen,
I should of said Yangtse grows as fast as sikkimensis and would do well for you in in your cool mild summers.
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Tony , are you going to plant them permanantly outside or keep them in pots?

I need to make a new bed before I plant mine out. I also want to remove a pup for a back up in case it don't make it through the winter.

I will have to contact Chad to see if he has any more pups from his Tibet as I lost mine a while back.
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Hi Mark,
I think it will be a couple of years before I can plant them out, like your self I’m notGoing to take any chances I wont backups first.
Gary Watton left his Musa Tibet out unprotected and it lost half the pseudostem stem At – 6.8c but it then grew back the following spring and Paul Spracklin said in the winter of 06-07 his Musa Yangtse lost all its stem but came back from the rhizome the following spring, he never said what his temps were that winter but for my self it was –8c, saw I think with a little protection Mark they should get through most winters.
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Tony, I have just been told by Chad that I can have a small pup of Tibet So I will grow it on and hopefully get a pup as a back up and then it can be tried outside.

I found what I thought was a dead stump of Cheesmanii yesterday in the garden and when I went to pull it up it felt solid at the roots. I got my knife and cut into the stem halfway down and it is still Alive!!!

It was frosted and the top went mushy so I thew one of those seethru plastic domes over the top and it must of been enough to keep it alive during the winter. We had -8 TOO!!.

So maybe another one to add to the semi hardy list eh.
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Nice one Mark, by the way Peter told me that Martin Gibbons at the palm centre in London has a large Musa Yangtse planted in his green house their, have you seen it,
That may be are best chance at an ID. if it flowers.
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He did tell me yes. You are right about it being a good chance of getting a flower.Just have to keep our ears open to see if it does.
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