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Old 09-10-2010, 09:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Question Musa sanguinea ???



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My name is Clinton and I'm a member of Bananas.org
I'm very interested in banana plants of both ornamental and edible & heliconias.

I lives in New Zealand.

I have few ornamental banana plants I grew from seeds I imported from Frosthartepalmen.de (Owner: Markus Senger)., on early 2009.
It had been labelled as "musa ornata red flowered"

It were hardy in town called Thames whose I lived for 10 past years, and when it grow the red flower bud and the flower start to move as if it is going to hanging posture (same way the both musa mannii & musa zaifui had doing when flowering)

It is rhodochlamys musa specie.
Flower bracts shape: lanceolate (like flower of musa velutina.)
flower bracts colour: red.
Flower bracts size: exactly same as flower of musa velutina.
Leaves: glossy grass green with red rib (fade to green as leave ages) on upper side and red rib (red colour remained as leave ages) on below side.
The suckers had red pseudostems while parent plant had green pseudostem, mottled with blackish brown.
Pseudostem height: 130 c.m. (51 inches) tall, with dismeter 8 c.m. across at near soil.
No wax on leaves & pseudostem.
Number of suckers: 5.

I wondered my banana plant were musa sanguinea ??? as I know musa ornata do not really have red flowers and I do not know which of ornamental banana plants, with 100 c.m. to 140 c.m. pseudostem height, have red flower.
Musa rubinea is too short and not in cult yet.
Musa ornata "African Red" is a hybrid plant and do not set seeds and only need to be tissue cultured and divided of suckers.
Seen musa ornata had no cultivers with really red flowers.
My one flowering musa ornata had purplish pink flower.

Can you send me your photoes of musa sanguinea and musa ornata with red flowers if you have one that can set the seeds.
I need the colour photoes of flower bracts, leaves, pseudostem, suckers, flower, to match my ornamental banana plant.

I am unable to send the photoes.

Need your help.

Also I'm looking for seeds suppliers that sell the seeds of musa zaifui, musa rosacea, musa rubinea, musa lawitiensis, violascens, musa gracilis.

I appreciate your help.

Yours Sincerely

Clinton3666.
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Old 09-12-2010, 03:56 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Musa sanguinea ???

Musa sanguinea is an extremely rare plant, it is highly unlikely that you have that plant. It is currently known only from a small population China, and even those plants may not be the original plan described. The best way for us to help you is to show us a photo of our plant. The description you give is very general and does not help very much. It is possible you have M. rubinea though, it is in cultivation. M. rubinea looks somewhat similar to M. mannii, and the inflorescence may be erect, pendant or in between. It also have very similar petiole wings to M. mannii which are rather distinct.

These 2 photos are of my M. rubinea which I had flower some 4 years ago.



This is of M. mannii, but the ruffled petiole wings are very similar to M. rubinea. Does yours look like this at all?
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Also I'm looking for seeds suppliers that sell the seeds of musa zaifui, musa rosacea, musa rubinea, musa lawitiensis, violascens, musa gracilis.
I've been looking for Musa Rubinea for a very long time and I've come to the conclusion that no one is supplying these varieties (as seeds). The only website I've found that even mentions M. Rubinea now says it no longer sells seeds, but plants, and that ordering those plants is next to impossible.

I thought Musa Zaifuil (sp) was very new.

I thought rosacea and rubinea were the same.

Violascens was a speciality of our much loved Tog Tan, but sadly he is no longer with us.

So in other words these seeds aren't available anywhere.

Have you tried rarepalmseeds.com - palm seeds, cycad seeds, banana seedsor Spezialsortimente, Musafor similar seeds.

Good luck with your quest.

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I've been looking for Musa Rubinea for a very long time and I've come to the conclusion that no one is supplying these varieties (as seeds). The only website I've found that even mentions M. Rubinea now says it no longer sells seeds, but plants, and that ordering those plants is next to impossible.
It is not really in cultivation, but there are people in the US who have some and it's possible they could be more widely available in the future. It is also in in vitro storage at the international genebank so is not totally lost or anything like that.

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I thought Musa Zaifuil (sp) was very new.
M. zaifui is rather new, published in 2008. But there are even new species which have never been published that are already on the market.


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I thought rosacea and rubinea were the same.
They are different species. The name M. rosacea has a long history and has been confused in the past. The species is recognized now as valid but it is not in cultivation in the nursery trade.
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