Musa Basjoo/Musella lasiocarpa

sunsetsammy · 05-13-2007, 02:13 AM

Hello new to the forums and very excited to learn about these amazing plants.

Today I purchased two banana plants which I thought were Basjoo. When I got them home I noticed that the tag says Musa Basjoo/Musella lasiocarpa.

The leaves look a bit different than my other Basjoo's. Hmm...

The back of the tag says that it is a cold hardy banana and will eventually grow 15-20 feet.

Is this some sort of crossbreed?

Any help would be appreciated.

Sam

the flying dutchman · 05-13-2007, 07:07 AM

Hi Sam, welcome on the forum, what a strange tag, but it must be a basjoo
according to the height and cold hardiness mentioned.
A lasiocarpa is a bit cold hardy but not as basjoo and is a dwarf plant compared with Basjoo. A cross between those does not exist, as the words say, Basjoo is a 'Musa' and 'Lasiocarpa' the only 'Musella'. Maybe there
are 2 bananas in one pot?

Ron

Gabe15 · 05-13-2007, 08:43 AM

welcome to the forums sam! now for your plant, a picture is worth a thousand words!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Inoneear · 05-13-2007, 12:25 PM

Sunsetsammy....shopping at canadian tire were you....check out the picture in my photo gallery.Im sure you will reconise them there.What part of the island are you from? Im in Burnaby.

sunsetsammy · 05-13-2007, 12:47 PM

Hello again!

I'll try my luck at posting some pictures.

Inonear, yes the bananas were purchased at Can Tire lol! That's funny that you picked up on that so quickly. By the way I'm here in tropical Comox

I must say I'm VERY impressed with this forum. The layout, user options, and overall knowledge base is so great! Good work everyone!

Anyhow here are the pics.

Here is the confusing tag

And here is the banana which I'm doubting is a Basjoo...

Hope this worked

Sam

STEELVIPER · 05-13-2007, 01:53 PM

looks like a Musella lasiocarpa to me. The base is kinda to thick/swollen to be a basjoo.

the flying dutchman · 05-13-2007, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEELVIPER

looks like a Musella lasiocarpa to me. The base is kinda to thick/swollen to be a basjoo.

I agree on that with steelviper but on the other hand it should have had
more leafs in my believe. I see one chopped off. But than again, i am
not a specialist , we have better specialists on the forum that will determine
this one. I could be all wrong.

Two pix of a younger lasiocarpa of mine.

The markings on the leafs look more curved aswell.

Ron

Gabe15 · 05-13-2007, 04:54 PM

100% Musella lasiocarpa.

Steve in France · 05-13-2007, 06:50 PM

Looks like one to me too.
I have a very small one here that is showing a lot of pink and red , perhaps it will fade back with age but it seems to have strong colour to me.
There was supposed to by a very red form coming out of a tissue culture lab last year but it never happened . Perhaps this is the direction they were going.

Later
Steve

sunsetsammy · 05-13-2007, 08:49 PM

Thank you everyone!!

I thought that something was up.

austinl01 · 05-13-2007, 09:38 PM

It's definitely musella lasiocarpa!

jmilligan1976 · 05-14-2007, 01:10 AM

Sunset Sammy
I'm from Campbell River but I'm currently living in Sacramento.
Good to see another northerner on the forum.

Jay

sunsetsammy · 05-14-2007, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmilligan1976

Sunset Sammy
I'm from Campbell River but I'm currently living in Sacramento.
Good to see another northerner on the forum.

Jay

Hello Jay! Small world isn't it?

We've had spring come late around here this year. Could be a short growing season.

How is Sacramento?

Sam

jmilligan1976 · 05-14-2007, 06:24 PM

Sacramento is too hot for me already.....But considering it took me a few months to dry out from working on Van. Island I won't complain too loudly.
Good luck with your Musella, I have two growing here myself. You should also try some ornamentals up there.....I have many Violacea that seem very tough. I also couldn't do without my ensete species even though they aren't edible.
Jay

xyzzy · 06-26-2007, 07:19 AM

Quote:

it is a cold hardy banana and will eventually grow 15-20 feet.

15-20 feet wide once it starts pupping perhaps! 6ft to tops of leaves more likely for the height.

the flying dutchman · 06-26-2007, 08:20 AM

Here is a Basjoo from about 18-20 feet or do you mean the lasiocarpa?

xyzzy · 06-26-2007, 10:16 AM

I mean't the Musella Lasiocarpa. Mine always flower close to 6 ft to top of leaf.

Mind you, my Basjoo never gets like yours. Basjoo doesn't seem to like my garden. It grows, but not like yours - Wow! I think mine give up after about 5severe wind shreddings and try another shoot instead and the regularly shredded stalk dies leaving masses of pups. The pups then do the same at about 7ft when they are high enough to get the full brunt of the wind, being then higher than the wall.

the flying dutchman · 06-26-2007, 10:41 AM

It is not mine, just an example. Too bad your main stem dies all the time.

Ron

xyzzy · 06-26-2007, 12:30 PM

I have given up on Basjoo due to the winds here, but other types take the wind far better - in fact almost everything does better here than basjoo! Ensete Ventricosum takes hell of a wind without damage, and just scrapes through our winters 2 years out of three without protection. Musa Itinerans (yunnan) gets shredded, but recovers faster than M Basjoo. Musella flowers here nicely:-

the flying dutchman · 06-26-2007, 04:18 PM

A good looking lasiocarpa, mine is not that far

Ron

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Steve in France Senior Member Steve in France's Photo Gallery Location: Bethesda, MD Find me on the map! Zone: zone: it says 6 to 8 Name: Steve in France Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 381 BananaBucks : 123,369 Feedback: 12 / 93% Said "Thanks" 1 Times Was Thanked 52 Times in 28 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Musa Basjoo/Musella lasiocarpa Looks like one to me too. I have a very small one here that is showing a lot of pink and red , perhaps it will fade back with age but it seems to have strong colour to me. There was supposed to by a very red form coming out of a tissue culture lab last year but it never happened . Perhaps this is the direction they were going. Later Steve __________________ Always looking for a lost pup Last edited by Steve in France : 05-13-2007 at 07:01 PM. Reason: change

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xyzzy Tropically Bonkers Location: Devon, UK. Find me on the map! Zone: 9b, but UK so no sun, always raining and infested with slugs. Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 120 BananaBucks : 28,507 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 0 Times Was Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Musa Basjoo/Musella lasiocarpa I mean't the Musella Lasiocarpa. Mine always flower close to 6 ft to top of leaf. Mind you, my Basjoo never gets like yours. Basjoo doesn't seem to like my garden. It grows, but not like yours - Wow! I think mine give up after about 5severe wind shreddings and try another shoot instead and the regularly shredded stalk dies leaving masses of pups. The pups then do the same at about 7ft when they are high enough to get the full brunt of the wind, being then higher than the wall. __________________ There is no such thing as can't grow it - but the determination required may lose you your partner, family and friends - but does that matter?.

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the flying dutchman the flying dutchman's Photo Gallery Location: HOLLAND Find me on the map! Zone: 8 Name: Ron Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,031 BananaBucks : 121,313 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 48 Times Was Thanked 244 Times in 148 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 11 Times	Re: Musa Basjoo/Musella lasiocarpa It is not mine, just an example. Too bad your main stem dies all the time. Ron

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xyzzy Tropically Bonkers Location: Devon, UK. Find me on the map! Zone: 9b, but UK so no sun, always raining and infested with slugs. Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 120 BananaBucks : 28,507 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 0 Times Was Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Musa Basjoo/Musella lasiocarpa I have given up on Basjoo due to the winds here, but other types take the wind far better - in fact almost everything does better here than basjoo! Ensete Ventricosum takes hell of a wind without damage, and just scrapes through our winters 2 years out of three without protection. Musa Itinerans (yunnan) gets shredded, but recovers faster than M Basjoo. Musella flowers here nicely:- __________________ There is no such thing as can't grow it - but the determination required may lose you your partner, family and friends - but does that matter?.

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the flying dutchman the flying dutchman's Photo Gallery Location: HOLLAND Find me on the map! Zone: 8 Name: Ron Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,031 BananaBucks : 121,313 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 48 Times Was Thanked 244 Times in 148 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 11 Times	Re: Musa Basjoo/Musella lasiocarpa A good looking lasiocarpa, mine is not that far Ron

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