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Old 09-12-2006, 10:42 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hi:
Just wanted to get a bit more clarified with this species in particular.
When you're looking to buy one of these, apparently everyone seems to use the same photo of the bloom looking it from under it for their advertisements. The thing is that I have seen lots of Balbisiana, but with subspecies this and that....

How can I tell a rear balbisiana from a description?
Also what is the subspecies "King Kong"?

Please let me know.

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Old 09-12-2006, 10:56 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I think king kong is just a made up name by the ebay'ers

what is in cultivation here is a a primative seeded type of plantain that grows (for me) up to 16-18 ft.

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There are many undescribed varieties of M. balbisiana, so far I believe only 2 are published, but I have seen at least 10 or so and there are many more. It is widespread and varied due in part to its fibre use and also it is used medicinally and cooked with. The ones you buy should all be normal balbisiana, one way to check is that balbisiana has rounded leaf bases where it intersects with the petiole, they usually even curve back upwards towards the leaf blades, acuminata however is either perpendicular or runs parallel with the petiole.
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agreed. What I have is the generic m. balbisiana of what's in clutivation here in the usa. It's generally very tall, and produces a very large inflorescence. The fruits are small and seeded with some pulp.
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Gabe, what you are describing is exactly what two of my plants show....Musa thompsonii, and Musa initerans both from TC. So far I haven't noticed on my two seed grown balbisiana, but it maybe too soon. I'll take some pics of what you're describing.
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agreed. What I have is the generic m. balbisiana of what's in clutivation here in the usa. It's generally very tall, and produces a very large inflorescence. The fruits are small and seeded with some pulp.
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Just checked one of my Mystery bananas that kinda looks like it could be balbisiana, and it has the leaf thing going on, and my largest seed grown M.balbisiana(sold as Japanese balbisiana) is now showing it on it's latest leaf.
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Got a pup for sale, or perhaps for just shipping fees?

I sell all my bananas/plantains for $20 each (excepy AEAE's) , and ship them out via priority mail. You can check out the selection at www.worldwideplants.com

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Does anyone know just how cold-hardy Musa Balbisiana could be? I have heard of unverified reports of it overwintering in Germany using the wrapping method!
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Default Re: Musa balbisiana species???

Yes, in the Kölner Flora (Botanical Garden of Cologne) there are some old corms surviving the winters protected like Musa basjoo. The microclimate there is favourable and so that Musa basjoo and balbisana are surviving there, see also my page http://www.basjoo.de.vu, if you do understand German.

Only provenances from the coldest mountain areas might be hardier and suitable to try in Germany, but only older plants with firm and large and some woody corms and pups could survive outdoors protected like Musa basjoo.

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Basjoofriend- Can you post some pics of the balbisiana? Do you know where it was sourced from?
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Default Re: Musa balbisiana species???

Yes, here are some pics from the balbisiana in the Kölner Flora:



This is the pic from July 2001



In the left Musa basjoo and in the right Musa balbisiana, basjoo winterprotection for basjoo and balbsiana



The balbisana comes back in the spring 2001!

You see, that it's possible!

But I don't know exactly which provenance. But it might be a mountain provenance, provenances from the higher mountain altitudes are hardier.

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Wow, I am amazed! Musa balbisiana overwintering in Germany!

But one thing in the picture puzzles me: You say one of these plants is musa basjoo? They all look like musa balbisiana to me... Look at the way the petioles are arranged with the bottom of the leaf. None of these plants look anything like musa basjoo, simply by looking at the petioles/leaf ineraction.
The way the petioles/leaf are arranged, points in the direction of musa balbisiana.

Nice trachycarpus by the way.

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The ones you buy should all be normal balbisiana, one way to check is that balbisiana has rounded leaf bases where it intersects with the petiole, they usually even curve back upwards towards the leaf blades, acuminata however is either perpendicular or runs parallel with the petiole.
I don't understand this sentence (maybe I'm too stupid) Does someone have any good pictures or drawings showing the difference ?
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Attached is a drawing from my research notebook.
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Look at the petioles of Musa basjoo and balbisiana!!! There is an important difference. The petioles of Musa basjoo are winged and the petioles of Musa balbisiana not.

And the leaves of Musa basjoo are waved and the of Musa balbisana are smoothly.

This is the difference between the False Fiber Banana and the Genuine Fiber Banane!

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Does that also apply to young balbisiana plants ? Mine (grown from seed this summer) still have leaves that look more like the right drawing.
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Does that also apply to young balbisiana plants ? Mine (grown from seed this summer) still have leaves that look more like the right drawing.
No, this feature does not show in seedlings. As the plant reaches the juvenile stage, this trait becomes more pronounced.

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Thanks for the picture Basjoofriend.

Did anyone notice that the balbisiana has red/purple leaf backs, and the new shoots are purplish??
The picture looks of the German balbisiana looks EXACTLY like my Musa thompsonii, which also has the rounded leaf bases. But then again there maybe a lot of himilayan bananas with those features.
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There's not much information on this one! I have a Musa balbisana 'gigantea' seedling I got from Issac. Anyone know more about it? Where is it from? How tall it gets?
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