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Old 12-10-2007, 02:22 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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Question Flaviflora??

Hey all;
I've searched on internet for the Flaviflora, but I can't find anything of this musa?
do you have pics/tips etc. about this specie?
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Old 12-10-2007, 06:22 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Hi Daen

Well not sure if its a good species or not and until I can get over to Bhutan we may never know.
all i can find is this. http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~drc/mflaviflora.htm

which is part of David Constantine's excellent work (thanks David if your reading, sorry to hear about the demise of KobaKoba, my Ensete Ventricosum Montbelliardii is safe and frost free in the polytunnel).
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Old 12-10-2007, 10:23 PM   #3 (permalink)
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It has been recently found again in the wild, or if it is not M. flaviflora as was originally described, there are very similar plants out there. There were a few places that may have been selling seed, but I can't remember where. It is still not widely grown, and as mentioned, the ones today may not be the same as the original ones. There were a lot at the Imperial College of Tropical Agriculture in Trinidad during Simmonds days, but after he stopped the program was lost along with many of the rare banana species held there, M. flaviflora included (as I've been told).

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thanks for reaction now i know a litle bit more
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gabe, we know that they cant send the banana trees here, is it the same for the seeds? can they be sterilized w/out hurting the viability of the seed?if they can be sent here is there a place over there that has like rare nana seeds to send? ive not tried a nana from seed.that could be very interesting.
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gabe, we know that they cant send the banana trees here, is it the same for the seeds? can they be sterilized w/out hurting the viability of the seed?if they can be sent here is there a place over there that has like rare nana seeds to send? ive not tried a nana from seed.that could be very interesting.
I don't quite get what you mean exactly. Where are you thinking they can't send plants/seeds from?
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oh i forgot you went home for the holidays, im sorry. i was just wondering if the wild banana( like in hawaii, or other parts of the world) is in such decline, could they not use seed to replace them? if there is a such thing as a seeded wild banana still left on the planet?( i dont know if there is or not.) and if there is a such thing, could we not get the seeds to reintroduce these said wild bananas? i was only asking because i read a few post about their decline(wild nanas) and it seems that everyone wants the "new " bananas,and are they trying to tc. or raise the wild one from the dead to keep them from going extinct? i was trying to keep it simple, but my mind dosent work that way sometimes. thats why i asked if seed could be sent to the mainland from hawaii.( is it my misunderstanding that hawaiian nanas cant be shipped to the u.s. because of a fungus or a diease- was wondering if it was the same for seeds) thank you.
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Default Re: Flaviflora??

The closest thing I've seen to Musa flaviflora was Musa violecea(bananatree.com seed), which is supposedly a hybrid between M.flaviflora, and Musa velutina. I'm not sure if it was the real thing but it was really waxy and seemed to be quite cold hardy too.
Thanks for that link Gabe, never seen that site.
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oh i forgot you went home for the holidays, im sorry. i was just wondering if the wild banana( like in hawaii, or other parts of the world) is in such decline, could they not use seed to replace them? if there is a such thing as a seeded wild banana still left on the planet?( i dont know if there is or not.) and if there is a such thing, could we not get the seeds to reintroduce these said wild bananas? i was only asking because i read a few post about their decline(wild nanas) and it seems that everyone wants the "new " bananas,and are they trying to tc. or raise the wild one from the dead to keep them from going extinct? i was trying to keep it simple, but my mind dosent work that way sometimes. thats why i asked if seed could be sent to the mainland from hawaii.( is it my misunderstanding that hawaiian nanas cant be shipped to the u.s. because of a fungus or a diease- was wondering if it was the same for seeds) thank you.
Well, there are no real wild bananas in Hawaii, but the many in Asia (where they are native to) are becoming increasingly threatened by introgression of closely populated species caused mainly by deforestation (since bananas generally do not grow in the dense forest, it becomes a natural separator of different species/subspecies/varieties, but when it is gone, they move into the same area and can interbreed into a single homogenous population. However, the ones that do live in the forest are naturally threatened by deforestation as well). There are still millions of wild bananas out there, as a whole they are not in any threat of extinction, just threatened by loss of diversity in some regions, but even this only goes so far.

All of the different unusual wild species are being collected and preserved as we speak, there is no real threat of preserving the diversity once it is obtained, the threat still does remain though for those which have not been collected or discovered yet.

I think you must have read something like Popular Science or others who have seen and quoted similar articles, I feel there is a lot of misunderstanding about bananas in general outside of those who are actively involved with them. The Smithsonian Magazine did a wonderful article on bananas a few years back, unfortunately it is one of the very few common articles on bananas out there that is not complete junk (like the Popular Science article).

Regarding exporting plants/seeds from Hawaii, it is a lot easier than getting them into the state, but still requires quite a bit of work I have yet to fully look into. I don't think it will be too hard though (once I get everything set up) to have small tissue cultured plants sent to the US mainland from Hawaii.
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would you believe i dont read popular science? i think i read it on another site about the loss of the "wld" banna. didnt kow the ps. had done an artice. gabe the way you store information astonishes me! (that was a compliment) thank you for answering my qestion. i know that de-foresttion was a problem( im one to scream about that) i didnt think theyd cut down trees that supply their people with food. and as for the seed issues, just wanted to know if they were doing anything in the nana communitity to keep these trees from going extinct. thanks gabe.
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Regarding exporting plants/seeds from Hawaii, it is a lot easier than getting them into the state, but still requires quite a bit of work I have yet to fully look into. I don't think it will be too hard though (once I get everything set up) to have small tissue cultured plants sent to the US mainland from Hawaii.
Do they x-ray or irradiate outgoing mail and packages from Hawaii? If not, then pop a few corms in a box and send 'em off... You can mail them to me to test if it works.
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just bought some M. Flaviflora seeds from www.sagofarm.nl

brush up on your dutch and give it a go! or just stumble through like I did, gotta luv ebay.
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Do they x-ray or irradiate outgoing mail and packages from Hawaii? If not, then pop a few corms in a box and send 'em off... You can mail them to me to test if it works.
They probably have some kind of USDA scan inspection like they do at the airports, I may actually do some tests just to see what happens.
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