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looking at the classifieds section here, I would suggest that Ae Ae (or at least variegated banana) prices are set to tumble in the not too distant. Whether these plantlets sell or not, at some point they'll be bigger and offered on the world market. the laws of supply and demand will then come into play won't they?

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Abnshrek

They they are pretty crazy aren't they :^)

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they're dreaming. won't get a sniff of an enquiry at that sort of price level. Bearing in mind something like Siam Ruby which started off sky high is now in TC and at say $9.99.

If they've cracked TC on AeAe's then fair play, but, the collectors market is say 250 units worldwide. Beyond that is a big market as a potential curiosity houseplant/tropical, but as a buyer of a plant for that sort of look you'd go for Canna Stuttgart wouldn't you?

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Rmplmnz

Big difference between Ae Ae and Siam Ruby, for one thing Ae Ae has been on the market in the US for many years and we still have not seen the precipitous price drop that Siam Ruby experienced. Stands to reason that if this theory held true Ae Ae prices would have dropped by now.

This is a frequently discussed topic.

Take a look through the following thread:

Ae Ae Banana for sale

popper1

I took the plunge awhile back ago and got an Ae Ae. I was importing some plants from Thailand and one was available so I went for it. it was cheapeer than you see them for in the US, but I found out after I bought it that they are tough to get going and sometimes take months to re-root. I maked up a rooting concoction and got it to root in a few weeks. I must say, if I would have know what they like I would have done it long ago. They are just amazing to look at. I have since gotten two other variegated, yellow variegated type that originated in Thailand and a very unusual white variegated clone-the leaves on that one come out extremely variable-one leaf can be almost totally white with a small amount of green, the next almost all green with a few white stripes here and there. I also have several Siam ruby plants.

All are beautiful plants, but again the Ae Ae is amazing. I can understand why they are so expensive.

David, Fl

novisyatria

Aeae is expensive because its quantity a bit, while its demand so much. i hope can Tc it but i dont have any aeae.

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[quote=Rmplmnz;113942]Big difference between Ae Ae and Siam Ruby, for one thing Ae Ae has been on the market in the US for many years and we still have not seen the precipitous price drop that Siam Ruby experienced. Stands to reason that if this theory held true Ae Ae prices would have dropped by now.QUOTE]

the theory always holds true. It's just that AeAe's have not been TC'd and have therefore not been available in volume. Volume TC plants as we've seen with Siam Ruby will crash the price.

I note from Novisyatria's response that these are not AeAe's so I'm guessing they're variegated Namwah's?

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popper1

I don't think that it is Namwah, they have a yellow variegation and those in the jar look white not yellow, although it is a pic so may be deceiving. My understanding that there are a couple different variegated clones over in SE Asia.

Rmplmnz

Ae Ae's have not been Tc'd...but this is not due from a lack of trying.

damaclese

i saw that action and was takin back by the asking price no plants are worth that not and ae ae or any thing for that mater

i think posting an Action of that nature here on the ORG is a wast of time most of us are just hobbyest and were not in the nursre trade

Gabe knows some one that clams they think they know how to TC'ed an AeAe but that comment was made along time ago and i have no idea what came of that if any thing

I do love my Ae Ae but they are a bit tempramental at times my plaint has desided to stope growing but i think its root bound its going to have to wate for spring to be planted way to cold out side right now

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varig8

I'd have to assume that this variegated banana is a somatic 'sport' and not a genetic variegate, as the ad implies that all of the bottled plants offered are variegated. I dont know of any white/green variegated bananas which are stable genetic variegates. Very intriguing......IF this is the case, then AeAe, and for that matter, any somatic variegate, should be able to be TC'd now using whatever method this seller has used. Unless of course, all the TC'd normal green plantlets have been culled and what is being offered are the remaining variegates. This would be my guess. This would certainly explain the excessive costs. Somatic variegates like the AeAe can be TC'd, its just that the results are the same as from suckers which are produced naturally. Some all white, some variegated, and some normal green. So, not really cost effective or feasible. Genetic variegates, like some Ivys for example, can be TC'd successfully as these will produce exact clones of the parent plant. They are stable mutations. Also, there is huge difference when comparing AeAe to Siam Ruby. Not the same at all. The white mutation many of us consider being a variegated plant is of course, the lack of chlorophyll. Siam Ruby does not have this problem, although it is still very unstable and produces plants which vary in the red/green coloration patterns produced in particular plants. Some are all red, some are that weird green color, and others have variable proportions of the 2 mixed colored patterning. TC'd Siam Ruby does not produce exact clones of the parent. Worth keeping an eye on the progression of this source.....and finding out the particulars.

varig8

Just wanted to add another thought...........maybe this is the first Musa found which is a genetic variegate, which was then successfully TC'd............not likely, but possible, (years ago I bought some seed from Bananatree seed catalog, labeled Musa 'Bi-color', which did germinate white/green variegated seedlings!). If this is the case, then after F2 generation they will soon be available at Home Depot for $10 .............

novisyatria

I think aee can Tc'd. and i am sure can TC d like i did for my variegated bananas. but the problem i have not yet aeae hehhehe

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popper1

Not sure what you cultured but if Ae Ae could be tissue cultured as other bananas are they would be everywhere. Siam Ruby is a perfect example. They are very attractive and there is much money to be made, even with the considerable drop in price.

novisyatria

i think variegated bananas can Tc'd include Aeae but they shoot multification not fast as like normal banana (green). and also the results not all variegated. based on my experience, explant varigated only 30 %. the rest i s albino and 1-2 % is green. albino hard to survival so i take out them. i start with 1 variegated bananas and if we count the albino maybe i got more 1000 plantlet. but only about 300 variegated. albino separated and take out and discard. we propagated only from variegated shoot. that why its quanty not alotfast like siam ruby or others.
hey does anyone have aeae and we join together to Tc it? you can send to me and i will TC it and we share the results. its will be great oppurtunity fo both party.

regards

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Gabe15

I've have seen 'Aeae' in tissue culture, and seen and heard of plants resulting in TC'd 'Aeae'. The results can be different. In one case, they were able to produce a few weakly variegated plants. In another case, they were able to produce variegated plants, but only 7 after trying for 4 years. In another case, they produced nice variegated plants but they all reverted to green after a few years in the ground.

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Seaner

I'm sure we'll just be buying Ae Ae as the plants wear out and (starting yesterday) I don't send or recieve plants & stuff through the mail. But you might try posting your generous offer in ads, here at the site. I know there are quite a few members, here, growing them.