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In another thread I posted an article to be discussed together. However I think many did not see it because it was in my presentation thread.

The article refers to a farmer in New Zealand but the man says he got his idea of cultivating bananas in NZ after going to Israel and seeing in a kibbutz that bananas were cultivated "on the snow line". Since I read that article, I am still trying to get in contact with some Israeli farmer who could provide me more information on the matter.

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Old 01-23-2009, 10:39 AM   #2 (permalink)
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In another thread I posted an article to be discussed together. However I think many did not see it because it was in my presentation thread.

The article refers to a farmer in New Zealand but the man says he got his idea of cultivating bananas in NZ after going to Israel and seeing in a kibbutz that bananas were cultivated "on the snow line". Since I read that article, I am still trying to get in contact with some Israeli farmer who could provide me more information on the matter.

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Thanks for that one Kalabrian, but I sincerely doubt, that will be enough here in Central Europe . Nice post though.
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Yes, I had similar beginnings with Cavendishes as that interesting guy.
I saw it however in car selling company, not in my neighbour's garden, it was growing behind the window. And they agreed that I could take the only pup it seemed to create. Well, the beginnings are funny.

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my parents went to isreal last summer and just for me they took pics of the nana plantations they have there. i was amazed at how well they grow there. if i can get the pics from my dad ill post them here.
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If I understand the Jewish lifestle correctly, the kibutzh is a place comparable to a small organization designed to be self sustainable in food and water supplies, creating a small, but vital unit, usually consisting of a few families joint together with maternal or marriegal binding. Is that right?

By the way, Kalabrian, I sent you that zones list, when I asked you about banana, so you are probably already familiarized with it.

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A kibbutz (Hebrew: קיבוץ, קִבּוּץ, lit. "gathering, clustering"; plural kibbutzim) is a collective community in Israel that was traditionally based on agriculture. The kibbutz is a form of communal living that combines socialism and Zionism. Kibbutzim began as utopian communities, but have gradually embraced a more "scientific" Socialist approach. Today, farming has been partly supplanted by other economic branches, including industrial plants and high-tech enterprises.[1] Less than five percent of Israelis live on kibbutzim. A member of a Kibbutz is called a Kibbutznik (Hebrew: קִבּוּצְנִיק‎).
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A kibbutz (Hebrew: קיבוץ, קִבּוּץ, lit. "gathering, clustering"; plural kibbutzim) is a collective community in Israel that was traditionally based on agriculture. The kibbutz is a form of communal living that combines socialism and Zionism. Kibbutzim began as utopian communities, but have gradually embraced a more "scientific" Socialist approach. Today, farming has been partly supplanted by other economic branches, including industrial plants and high-tech enterprises.[1] Less than five percent of Israelis live on kibbutzim. A member of a Kibbutz is called a Kibbutznik (Hebrew: קִבּוּצְנִיק‎).
Just as I imagined it, thanks for detailed intel...
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I thought kibbutz was the box u checked so no one could see your cards in yahoo spades.
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I thought kibbutz was the box u checked so no one could see your cards in yahoo spades.
Well, nice one, but I believe that the words Kibbutz originates from Hebrew, no matter the cards...

It's really interesting actually, that self sufficiency in everything... it's like state independent from state. Funny. I wonder, where they take the energy, whether they are connected to the network or have their own sources.
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from a book from 1913. It seems to reference bananas in the area near Israel. Page 87



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Bananas are commercially cultivated in present-day Israel. The varieties under cultivation are documented both here (in the Wiki) and among the listings at figs4fun home
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Now if we can just figure how to get that up to 40 degrrees north?
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I don't know what the cold hardiness is of this banana... "Grand Naine" its one of the popular bananas used in Israel plantations.

I believe someone posted on these forums having them for sale.

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I would like to hear the report on this banana cold hardiness, size, and quality of fruit.
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I believe someone posted on these forums having them for sale.

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The only place in Israel where snow falls regularly is Mount Hermon, and I do not think that bananas grow there. Occasionally snow falls in other places, but not regularly enough where one could draw a snow line at any particular altitude.

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That is not quite the Jewish lifestyle, but rather, a communist lifestyle that was vastly more successful than most other communist installations. This has often been atributed to the fact that those living in a Kibbutz were there by choice (though sometimes the choice between the lesser of two evils). This is _not_ a Jewish lifestyle, even if it is closely associated with the Jewish state.

"Kibbutz" literally means "grouping". The idea would be that resources, liabilities, and assets would be shared among kibbutz members. Self sustainability is not the goal, reduced expenses and waste is. This was very important in the early 20th century holy land, for various reasons (details upon request, or just google it). I do not think that any kibbutz, other than those on the Sea of Galilee, had ever attained water self-sustainability, or had ever tried to.

The family aspect of the kibbutzim (the plural of kibbutz) was not universal across different kibbutzim. Many kibbutzim had children's houses, where all the kibbutz children slept separated from their parents. Again, this was done in the interest of efficiency. Different kibbutzim had different levels of sharing and ownership. Most kibbutz members did not own the home they lived in, it was the property of the kibbutz. Often there would be vehicles that were owned by the kibbutz and when a member needed a car he would check it out, like you would check out a book at a library.

Today, most kibbutzim have gone private, with the wealth (or debts) of the collective being spread out between the members. The people have inherited their homes, have bought private vehicles, and split the shared land.

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I do not think that any kibbutz had their own power generation. Like I mentioned before, self-sustainability was never a goal. Efficiency was, and generating your own power is not efficient.

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I find it interesting that on the linked page there is no mention of Semetic origin. Musa is Hebrew / Arabic for "banana" even if most modern Hebrew speakers say "banana" in everyday speech and don't know what "musa" is.
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User "nullzero" asked for more information about Grande Nain, and thus the link. Neither the name nor the banana are of Semetic origin. "Musa" is the taxonomic Genus under which edible bananas are classified. "Musa" also contains some inedible bananas.
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User "nullzero" asked for more information about Grande Nain, and thus the link. Neither the name nor the banana are of Semetic origin. "Musa" is the taxonomic Genus under which edible bananas are classified. "Musa" also contains some inedible bananas.

I read a long time ago that the name "Musa" came from Antonius Musa, a botanist and personal physician to Emperor Augustus. A couple of articles on the origin of the name "Musa" for bananas:
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