Orinoco vs 42 degrees?

siege2050 · 10-16-2013, 08:58 PM

Not sure if this is the right place to post this but it has to do with low temps. I have what I believe might be an Orinoco, and its supposed to be 42 degrees tonight for the low, but no mention of frost. Can I leave it out tonight, or should I wheel it into the unheated garage? Its got about 6 feet of pstem if that makes any difference.

cincinnana · 10-16-2013, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siege2050

Not sure if this is the right place to post this but it has to do with low temps. I have what I believe might be an Orinoco, and its supposed to be 42 degrees tonight for the low, but no mention of frost. Can I leave it out tonight, or should I wheel it into the unheated garage? Its got about 6 feet of pstem if that makes any difference.

36 degrees is my limit over a period of time .
If it between 36 and up I am good....absolutely no frost.
However it is your choice .

siege2050 · 10-16-2013, 09:56 PM

I am building a greenhouse and will put it in there soon, but I am waiting for the plastic covering to come in. Maybe I can keep it out a bit longer.

Richard · 10-16-2013, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siege2050

Not sure if this is the right place to post this but it has to do with low temps. I have what I believe might be an Orinoco, and its supposed to be 42 degrees tonight for the low ...

No problem.

Abnshrek · 10-16-2013, 10:11 PM

6' of stem means its established and it can take some cold.. I think your good till a frost. :^)

Jose263 · 10-17-2013, 04:52 PM

If it is potted and not too hard moving inside - I would roll it in and back out when chance of frost is over

Olafhenny · 10-17-2013, 06:41 PM

I do not know, how reliable the weather forecasts in you area are, but 42^F is a long way
from freezing

Some time ago I learned to my surprise, that some tropicals have indeed sap, which gels at
low, but above freezing temperatures, thus choking up the interior infrastructure of the
plant. However, I do not believe, that any of the bananas belong to that category.

The vast majority of plants, including any bananas, I have ever met, need the formation
of ice crystals to crush the cells, before they die.

scottu · 10-17-2013, 07:08 PM

If it is easily moved I would roll it in at night and out in the morn. cause that low of a temp will shock its growth and that takes days/nights of higher temps to overcome.

siege2050 · 10-17-2013, 08:34 PM

I got it not too long ago so its still in a pot, I put it in the garage tonight because it's supposed to get down to 38 degrees F. It's supposed to warm back up so not quite time to put it asleep yet.

chipboy44 · 10-17-2013, 09:25 PM

I am in Daytona Beach and battle with this problem every winter because mine are all in the ground. I can GAURANTEE you that your Orinoco are safe as long as the temperature does not hit 32°F. They will be perfectly fine as far down as 33°F. I can even attest to you that mine have taken a frost for a few hours without any harm. But don't push it. If in pots take in it the temps get down to 33-34°F
Salute'
rick

Olafhenny · 10-17-2013, 09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by siege2050

I got it not too long ago so its still in a pot, I put it in the garage tonight because it's supposed to get down to 38 degrees F. It's supposed to warm back up so not quite time to put it asleep yet.

No need for that

siege2050 · 10-17-2013, 09:41 PM

Our weather here in Oklahoma is insane lol, I went camping once and it was about 75 degrees, I woke up about 3 am and it was 28 degrees and 3 inches of sleet on the ground. You never can tell what it will do here the next day.

Abnshrek · 10-17-2013, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by siege2050

I got it not too long ago so its still in a pot, I put it in the garage tonight because it's supposed to get down to 38 degrees F. It's supposed to warm back up so not quite time to put it asleep yet.

38F is mighty close to the point where frost may come to town.. so I'd play it on the safe side. :^)

Darkman · 10-18-2013, 07:28 AM

I realize my comments are a little late BUT...

Throw a frost cloth over it. Not a blanket or a sheet go buy frost cloth. It's designed to take care of frost. It's only six feet tall and that is the perfect height for you to get a nice bunch of fruit next June if you care for it this Winter.

Chipboy's comments were dead on right. You are good to 33 degrees, but later in the year do not take a chance it won't be 31 instead of 33, especially with just one plant to move. Mine have actually dipped below freezing with no ill effects but FROST at any tempearture will ruin the leaves period.

Make sure you post the pictures of the fruit next June and I would get it in the ground in a well prepared hole next Spring!

Abnshrek · 10-18-2013, 09:09 AM

In addition to what Charles said.. I ordered some frost covers for my citrus that would work for short banana's.. :^)

caliboy1994 · 10-18-2013, 08:02 PM

This is what a Misi Luki Namwah that has experienced multiple temperature dips in the mid 40s looks like.

Not a scratch, and still growing even. And to think that Orinoco is even hardier.

lmswayne · 10-19-2013, 06:16 PM

You can bye frost cloth at any home depo lows or garden center.
Not so clueless on this.

sunfish · 10-19-2013, 07:46 PM

Is frost cloth for frost

Olafhenny · 10-19-2013, 09:41 PM

I posted the following previously here:
Prepping basjoo for winter

IMOEO there is a trade-off. If you pot them and have reasonable growing conditions,
it is of course win/win. But once the plants grow larger and you can no longer provide
adequately for indoor growth, you have the choice between bare root wintering,
which will hopefully preserve most of the PS, but sacrifices most of the roots, or
you can winter them outdoors and sacrifice most of the PS, but have the roots in
place and settled in, ready to “hit the ground running”. From my wording you can
probably tell which method I prefer, and it is also less work.

With my new shelter, which will allow me to take advantage of warm days in March and
April (most of that month), maybe even February, I now hope to add the equivalent
of more than one month to the growing season, which would otherwise not start here
until early to mid May. That widens the gap in favour of outdoor wintering.

Good luck,
Olaf

Olafhenny · 10-19-2013, 09:50 PM

Ooops, sorry, I pasted the last post inadvertently into this thread. It was supposed
to go into a different one

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