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Old 11-25-2009, 07:28 PM   #1 (permalink)
 
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I am going to attempt to cross a Ice Cream 'Blue java' with a M. Basjoo in the spring... Do you think it would work? I wonder what the fruit would look like, and taste like... comments??..??

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Old 11-26-2009, 01:47 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I definately want some

Hardy edible banana, if it works?
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Good luck! If it does, I would defiantly get one!!!! GO FOR IT!!!!!!!
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There is a chance you may get seeds, but then there is the issue of if the seeds will be viable or not, and from there selecting good candidates out of the progeny. Classically, banana breeding involves many different crosses and backcrosses before anything useful is obtained. You may end up with something, but it will not be easy, and there is no guarantee that what you end up with will be much of anything.

As far as seed set goes (which is one of the very first steps in a long series of steps of banana breeding), you will likely have the most luck using M. basjoo pollen on the 'Ice Cream', but if you can get any pollen from the 'Ice Cream', try doing it both ways.
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in the spring..
Will you have both flowering in the spring, in zone 7-8?
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Will you have both flowering in the spring, in zone 7-8?
I dont think they will flower at the same time but if they do I will try it that way.

I am going to try to make a hybred without seeds, another way, It should work with two pups...
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What method is that?
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I had seen a video on this, but I cant find it... Heres how it went:

1)You take 2 Pups
2)You cut both the pups courms in half (well a little less than half...) with a big nife
3)You tie the two togeather with string
4)Plant them in a pot
5)let them grow
6)And hopefullay when the plant produces a pup it is a hybred between the two..

Seems like it would work to me. There was a botanist hosting this video, he did many banana plants like this. There was going to be a new video coming out soon showing his results...
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I had seen a video on this, but I cant find it... Heres how it went:

1)You take 2 Pups
2)You cut both the pups courms in half (well a little less than half...) with a big nife
3)You tie the two togeather with string
4)Plant them in a pot
5)let them grow
6)And hopefullay when the plant produces a pup it is a hybred between the two..

Seems like it would work to me. There was a botanist hosting this video, he did many banana plants like this. There was going to be a new video coming out soon showing his results...
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Thanks sunfish,

Here is the first video I saw, and then made this thread:



And the second video:


Here are some other videos related to this:



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If its like other fruit trees I don't think it will work. Each side should remain true to varity and if the new shout comes from one side it should be that varity. By cross pollanting the flowers you will get a true blend of bananas but only in the seed. Just a thought.
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So did anyone get results from this attempt?
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You have got to be kidding,...does that method really produce hybrids??
I've never heared of that in apples or other fruit, only grafting a cultivated aple on a wild motherstem,...but no hybrids though...
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Nothing new happens from the grafting which in fact seems impossible.
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If they do wanna prove this theory,they should use more prominent varieties such as Red X 1000 fingers or X dwarf.Something like this,then we can see if it's really working but in my opinion,The species used in all the attemped grafings are the same which does not make any difference to the result.
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I am by no means a expert on Bananas nor do I claim to be. I do no fruit trees and grafting on rootstocks will just adjust the size or help with desiese resistance. I no that you can take the geans of vegetables and make a hybrid if you have a lab but for those of us who dont, cross pollanating the flowers of different plants will give you a new plant with both plant geans. With that in mind I believe that the same would hold true for bananas. There are members in this group that grow bananas in labs who surely will no how to hybernizs these plants
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lets not start a new grafting thread, please direct all comments and questions about grafting bananas here: Grafting Bananas by the Insistent Banana Grower - Mauro
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PAbananas is correct about the grafting method, and Gabe gave some good time and effort saving advice that is also most accurate.

The Ice Cream is a female fertile banana (ABB) and has not been observed producing viable pollen according to the research I've read.

Basjoo does produce a viable pollen, but is a different species from Musa acuminata and Musa balbisiana, the prodgenators of the hybrid "Ice Cream". Hopefully the pollen from Basjoo will be compatable.

Gabe is correct by advising a Paternal Basjoo, Maternal Ice Cream cross.

I hope it works!!! My God grant you success!!
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the biggest problem is getting two plants to flower at the same time. You have to have a pretty big grove / plantation to have that kind of flexability.
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