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Old 10-15-2009, 04:22 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
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A live in Croatia, and nobody want to sell me a Freezepruf. I mean, nobody ships this kind of stuff to Croatia.

Is there someone who can buy this product, and send it to me private?

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Old 10-15-2009, 06:49 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: I really need Freezepruf !

I think someone posted the ingredients, I think it's possible to mix up your own from local sources.
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Old 10-15-2009, 08:11 AM   #3 (permalink)
 
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Well, maybe we can make this a last option.

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Old 10-15-2009, 08:25 AM   #4 (permalink)
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what is a freezepruf?...if i can ill send you one!
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Does it work really?
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I think if you can find some auto antifreeze based on PEG (polyethylene glycol) mix it with water to a 2 % solution you would basically have the same thing. Be sure before you do this you are not infringing on any patents here or abroad before proceeding...Polyethylene glycol (PEG) is a polymer made for ethylene oxide. It comes in almost any MW, from 200 to 60,000. 400 to 12,000 are the most common with 400 the most common for liquids and 2,500 for solid. (Anything over 800 to 1,000 is a solid at room temp.) It is nontoxic at any reasonable level. It is nonpolar while having lots of hydroxyl functionality. This makes it great for getting things to stay soluble in oil. Used a lot for compatibility reasons. Can also be used as a painless vehicle, instead of oil. Drawbacks include high viscosity and thermoplastic tendencies becoming more pronounced at the higher MWs. Also has mechanical properties (surface tension) that cause it to separate from oil.
Technical info: CAS# 25322-68-3, Miscible in water at the lower MWs slowly decreasing as the MW goes up. Density: range: 1.1 to 1.2 (increases as molecular weight increases) Melting Point: Melting point increases as molecular weight increases: PEG 400 = 4-8C (39-46F) PEG 600 = 20-25C (68-77F) PEG1500 = 44-48C (111-118F)

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Default Re: I really need Freezepruf !

I'd love to hear if anyone's had results from Freezepruf or the Home-made stuff.
I appreciate the previous post but it's probably hard for most of us to be able to read an antifreeze label figure out the % and then mix to 2%.
It would be nice to get a "formula" using exact amounts of, say, a common antifreeze and water.
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Default Re: I really need Freezepruf !

Seems to me I just saw an ad here for freezpruf. From what I read last year, you spray it on plant & it keeps it around 7 to 9 degrees warmer. Won't do me any good though LOL.
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Old 10-15-2009, 01:12 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Hi,
A live in Croatia, and nobody want to sell me a Freezepruf. I mean, nobody ships this kind of stuff to Croatia.

Is there someone who can buy this product, and send it to me private?

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Thank you
Tom
Hi Tom
where is Croatia?
Never heard of that .
Great Woods???
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Old 10-15-2009, 01:20 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Šalu na stranu.
Jesi proba ovde:
FreezePruf - Improves Freeze Tolerance Up to 9.4 Degrees
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Default Re: I really need Freezepruf !

It's hard to believe that it really works. Have anybody tested it? I suppose it may protect plants in Croatia but for sure will not protect my plant here in Poland when a real winter will come.
Ps. we have now unexpected winter attact. It appeared about 1 month earlier than usually and damaged a lot of trees which havent lost their leaves yet.

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Sorry to see the early snow, Seweryn. And I was moaning about the 'cold' weather we've been having here. Hope you don't suffer any lasting damage to your plants.
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To sam prvo probao. Nema sanse...ne salju.
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Old 10-16-2009, 03:22 AM   #14 (permalink)
 
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It would be best if someone from European Union can help me.

Croatian Customs are wery flexible if the shipment is from EU.

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I'd love to hear if anyone's had results from Freezepruf or the Home-made stuff.
I appreciate the previous post but it's probably hard for most of us to be able to read an antifreeze label figure out the % and then mix to 2%.
It would be nice to get a "formula" using exact amounts of, say, a common antifreeze and water.
I used freezepruf a few weeks ago on my plants and they did well with lows dipping into the upper 20's. I couldn't see any sign of leaf damage. I used it on my Musa basjoos, Musa sikkimensis, Musella lasiocarpa, canna lilies, Butia capitata, Trachycarpus (takil, fortunei, wagnerianus, and latisectus).

My palms have survived colder than that without the freezepruf. What I was watching were the cannas and the bananas. I don't know at what temps exactly any of them would start getting leaf damage, but they lived through that. So IMHO, freezepruf can extend my time with these plants by a couple months per year.
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Where do you get freeze pruf anyway. I would perfer to get it locally, or off ebay. I think I could really use it because 5 degrees for me would be a zone 8! I heard its like living 200 miles farther south when you put on freeze pruf, but im not sure about the accuracy in that.
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Old 11-01-2009, 07:31 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Default Re: I really need Freezepruf !

I got mine at liquidfence.com

I don't know if there are local retailers carrying it, last time I checked there were not.

I saw that they said it was like moving your plants 200 miles south, but that's not always true... moving my plants 20 miles south would prop them up at a zone 5, which is colder than my zone 6... lol. I'd stick to claiming it's half a zone hardier... so that'd be a zone 6b for me. = )
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Thanks for the info. Ill probably refrain from buying it until I start hearing alot of sucess stories.
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I emailed the company if Freezepruf is available in Europe. I hope there'll be a positve reply soon.
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following on from JeffreyP's comments about Polyethylene glycol (PEG) above. I'm just doing a bit of checking with German colleagues but it may be the case that certain widely available antifreezes for solar hot water systems and ground source heat pumps are based on PEG. I will come back when I have the info. These would be cheap and fairly widely available in Europe.
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