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Old 05-20-2015, 10:52 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Joy I have a grandpup!

Okay, so I got my first Musas in January. I overwintered them inside and planted a month early. One of them has a pup already!

How soon can I divide it? Is there a height that it should reach before I rip it from its mother's womb? To quote the Pointer Sisters, "I'm so excited, and I just can't hide it. I'm about to lose control and I think I like it..."

Looks like soaking in the rooting stimulator worked.
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Congrats!

I have had success with removing basjoo pups that are about 2' tall. Just keep them out of the direct sun for a few days until new roots establish.

I have removed super dwarf cavendish pups at about half that height with no problem either.

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Congrats! I bought 1 unknown 5 feet musa the other day with 4 pups attached to it. I couldn't resist. I'm waiting for them to be 3 feet before the big surgery!!!
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My mama is only two feet tall. This is why I am so surprised. It's like she was born pregnant, LOL.
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Woohoo! My second banana has a fetus emerging from the ground now, too.

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Is it possible for these pups to get big enough this year to transplant?
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Should I leave them in place until next season?
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My experience has shown me that if I take the pup off too soon, (less than three feet) they don't have enough time to get over the shock and establish a good root system by the end of the growing season. This is what I have found in my area. Longer growing seasons I'm sure have better results. I think yours is about the same as mine. Hope this helps. I have screwed up dozens of time.
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Thanks for the reply. It looks as though I may leave them together then, or pot the pups for next year.
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I rip mine off at 1 1/2 - 2 foot tall. Just make sure you dig out some dirt so you can see your cut. I've gone in blind a few times and screwed up the cut. I set up a shelf in my garage by a window and grown them inside the first winter
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I rip mine off at 1 1/2 - 2 foot tall. Just make sure you dig out some dirt so you can see your cut. I've gone in blind a few times and screwed up the cut. I set up a shelf in my garage by a window and grown them inside the first winter
I agree with being careful with the amputation. I learned the hard way. Last time I ruined a good pup. I now cut at an angle toward the mother to leave as many roots as possible. I don't think it effects the mother much.
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Depends on what species or cultivar it is too, I have separated Musa Orinoco pups that did not even have visible leaves yet, and were just points barely above the surface, and all six out of six sprouted with no problem, but some species types like Musa Velutina dont separate well for me without die back, even with a lot of roots, but do recover. I have Musa Sikkimensis pups I am fixing to separate (Plain Green, and Red tiger) that I grew from seed last year, but have been told by some that they also dont separate very well without die back either. I hope they do okay as I am wanting as many of them as I can get for back ups in case of winter death for the first few years. Basjoo usually do fine as long as you get enough of the roots and around 3 true leaves, but you will probably cut a few wrong at first like I did. There is a certain angle toward the mother corm that they must be cut at to get the roots, but I have sprouted pups that I did not get any roots on by placing them in a glass of water till roots formed, but you have to get enough of the corm that is solid looking with small speckles. If you just see all rings in the cut you probably missed the corm and cut too high, in which case the pup will just sprout from the mother again usually. Musella Lasiocarpa is the hardest to separate, and also the most prolific I have come across, and I dont even try it till fall when I dig the mother plants for crawlspace storage so they will bloom the next year. But I have rooted these in a glass of water as well before giving up and waiting till the fall dig.
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Hehehe! I think you might be a great-great-grandpa before the end of this year... My single basjoo I left mulched outside AFTER separating 8+ pups from
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Looking good! I have a second one popping up on mama #2 already, but it's almost touching the mother plant. I'll just watch and see what they do.
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Well, the first pup has a pup attached to it. I whacked it off the other day and planted it already. It's doing fine; not a single sign of wilt and it's still growing well. That mama has another pup on the other side that should be ready in a week and a half to relocate. The mama has only been in the ground for 10 weeks and I've already got transplantable pups!

The second mama has 5 pups, but all are close to the stem and hardly growing at all. I fear they may be water suckers because they are growing so slowly, unless it's because there are so many that it's draining the main plant.

I guess soaking them in rooting stimulant before potting did the trick!

A curious thing about the second pup, is that it has a p-stem about 6 inches long with a little leaf growing on the end; almost like an emerging elephant ear. It didn't start as a leaf poking out. It's growing about twice as fast as the first one though. Any info on that?
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Well, the first pup has a pup attached to it. I whacked it off the other day and planted it already. It's doing fine; not a single sign of wilt and it's still growing well. That mama has another pup on the other side that should be ready in a week and a half to relocate. The mama has only been in the ground for 10 weeks and I've already got transplantable pups!

The second mama has 5 pups, but all are close to the stem and hardly growing at all. I fear they may be water suckers because they are growing so slowly, unless it's because there are so many that it's draining the main plant.

I guess soaking them in rooting stimulant before potting did the trick!

A curious thing about the second pup, is that it has a p-stem about 6 inches long with a little leaf growing on the end; almost like an emerging elephant ear. It didn't start as a leaf poking out. It's growing about twice as fast as the first one though. Any info on that?
Hay Snark, what is the brand of your root stimulater?
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Schultz Rooting Stimulator. It's in a yellow gallon jug.

I bought two gallons of it for a buck apiece on clearance at Home Depot about 20 years ago. I can't even find it listed online so it must be out of production. It's good stuff though. Had good results on the redwoods over the years.
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