Helen's Hybrid

the flying dutchman · 04-10-2007, 02:08 PM

Does anyone have pictures of this banana as we like to use them for
the WIKI.
Any other info about this banana is also very welcome. (Cold hardiness etc.)

Ron

Tropicallvr · 04-10-2007, 05:56 PM

My one survived this cold zone 8 winter in a one gallon pot. It came back from the stem with vigor, and now is showing some red splashes on the leafs which it didn't show last year. I'm not banking on it being edible, but the sikkimensis hybrids should be great for the cold climate banana grower.

the flying dutchman · 04-10-2007, 06:35 PM

Thanks a lot, I hope to receive a lot info from other growers. As it is a new
banana we can learn from members growing it and share the info in the WIKI.

Thanks

Ron

MediaHound · 04-10-2007, 07:45 PM

I think MrBungalow grows this one.

mrbungalow · 04-11-2007, 08:59 AM

Yes, I do!

The one outside got centre-rot. I cut it at the base a couple of weeks ago, and I am hoping it will come back with some pups. It would probably do better if kept dryer, but both my other sikkimensis and musa basjoo look as if they are growing and didn't loose their stems.

The conclusion is that more testing is needed, before we can say if it's as hardy as sikkimensis/basjoo, remember, this was only one plant tested outside in very wet/cold conditions. And the outside of the stems were green, only the inside got rot.

MediaHound · 04-11-2007, 09:33 AM

http://www.bananas.org/wiki/Musa_Helen's_Hybrid
Erland, I added your photo and location.

the flying dutchman · 04-11-2007, 10:31 AM

Thanks Erland, I hope when your remaining Helen's will grow bigger you
will upload more pics and give us more info about how they are doing.

Thanks

Ron

Mark Hall · 04-11-2007, 01:35 PM

Erland was it grown outside without any protection ? or did you cover it.
I am going to try one outside this year but its getting the straw and drainage pipe housing. Hopefully it will pup before the first frosts so I will have a back up.

mrbungalow · 04-11-2007, 01:48 PM

It got quite tall at the end of the season actually, but I forgot to take photos at this time. The stems were kind of thin compared to height.

This winter, I covered it together with the sikkim and the basjoo next to it. With a big pile of straw inside a chicken-wire fence. Nothing to keep the rain out, so it did get wet inside. This didn't even affect basjoo, the sikkims didnæt like it but survived, and this musa helen rotted inside..

I am hoping the corm is big enough to have atleast one or two eyes so that new plants will pop up sometime in early summer.

the flying dutchman · 04-11-2007, 01:57 PM

Really interesting, maybe it is less hardy than Sikkimensis/Basjoo, the
future will tell. Can't wait for the day someone succeeds to get
bananas from this plant.
Mine is only 2 inches so it will definitely not be me.

ron

bigdog · 04-11-2007, 08:10 PM

Mine isn'y really picture-worthy at this time. It finally has recovered from me nearly killing it, and is putting out some big, beautiful leaves. It's also growing very quickly again, so I should be able to get a nice picture here in a month or so. Nice, dark green leaves on this one. Can't wait to see how it does once I put it in the ground!

chrisltropical · 07-08-2007, 09:37 PM

Any new pics of this potentially Zone 6 hardy banana?

bigdog · 07-08-2007, 10:00 PM

Chris, here's a picture I took a week or two ago of several of my bananas. Musa 'Helen's Hybrid' is on the left.

A couple of the leaves are burnt in that pic because I let it dry out one time before I planted it. Since that picture, the main pseudostem has grown a full leaf and is unfurling another. Here's the latest leaf. They keep getting more and more colorful with each one that opens!

chrisltropical · 07-09-2007, 06:01 PM

Thanks bigdog! My brother wants me to get a hardy banana that produces edible fruit. I'm hopeful this is the one....

mrbungalow · 07-10-2007, 12:54 AM

I have not seen helens' hyrbid fruit, but if it is anything like sikkimensis, I would rather go for d. Orinoco or d. brazilian - if edible fruit is the goal.

xyzzy · 07-10-2007, 04:13 AM

I have some but mine are grown bent due to growing all leaves on one side because of wind direction.

MediaHound · 07-10-2007, 09:51 AM

Bigdog, I added your location to the "Members growing this banana" map in the wiki.
If you ever want to add your location to the members growing this banana map you can use this code:

Code:

35.97915222700156, -84.02719259262085, [[User:bigdog]]

xyzzy, I got you in there too, if you want to go through the wiki and pin yourself for any other bananas, you can use this code for your location:

Code:

50.3734961443035, -3.5595703125, [[User:xyzzy]]

To see what I'm talking about, you can view this URL:
http://www.bananas.org/w/index.php?t...dit&section=11
Thats the edit link for the Helen's Hybrid map. You can view it to see the format to add new entries on new lines.

I would add your location, Tropicallvr, but I dont know your latitude and longitude. If your interested, could you fill out the member map so I can get your lat and long? That map is this one: http://www.bananas.org/vbgooglemapme.php

xyzzy · 07-10-2007, 10:43 AM

I've added a few, will add some more.

I can't find my Musa ×paradisiaca L (French Plantain ) on your list. Where should I put that? - and Williams Hybrid?

MediaHound · 07-10-2007, 12:18 PM

http://www.bananas.org/wiki/Musa_Green_French
http://www.bananas.org/wiki/Musa_Williams_Hybrid

xyzzy · 07-10-2007, 03:09 PM

I've added quite a few of mine.

Is normal M cavendish the same thing as M Giant Cavendish? I have normal M Cavendish (Not dwarf)?

Any ideas what M Violet is - is it a form of M Ornata?

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mrbungalow Freezing member mrbungalow's Photo Gallery Location: Bergen, Norway Find me on the map! Zone: 8 Name: Erlend Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 598 BananaBucks : 40,497 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 14 Times Was Thanked 163 Times in 78 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 3 Times	Re: Helen's Hybrid Yes, I do! The one outside got centre-rot. I cut it at the base a couple of weeks ago, and I am hoping it will come back with some pups. It would probably do better if kept dryer, but both my other sikkimensis and musa basjoo look as if they are growing and didn't loose their stems. The conclusion is that more testing is needed, before we can say if it's as hardy as sikkimensis/basjoo, remember, this was only one plant tested outside in very wet/cold conditions. And the outside of the stems were green, only the inside got rot. __________________

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the flying dutchman the flying dutchman's Photo Gallery Location: HOLLAND Find me on the map! Zone: 8 Name: Ron Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,031 BananaBucks : 103,701 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 48 Times Was Thanked 243 Times in 147 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 11 Times	Re: Helen's Hybrid Thanks Erland, I hope when your remaining Helen's will grow bigger you will upload more pics and give us more info about how they are doing. Thanks Ron

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Mark Hall Mark Mark Hall's Photo Gallery Location: Windsor u.k. Find me on the map! Name: Mark Hall Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 616 BananaBucks : 97,593 Feedback: 1 / 100% Said "Thanks" 385 Times Was Thanked 282 Times in 123 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 15 Times	Re: Helen's Hybrid Erland was it grown outside without any protection ? or did you cover it. I am going to try one outside this year but its getting the straw and drainage pipe housing. Hopefully it will pup before the first frosts so I will have a back up. __________________ Time Flies like an Arrow.....Fruit flies like a Banana.

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mrbungalow Freezing member mrbungalow's Photo Gallery Location: Bergen, Norway Find me on the map! Zone: 8 Name: Erlend Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 598 BananaBucks : 40,497 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 14 Times Was Thanked 163 Times in 78 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 3 Times	Re: Helen's Hybrid It got quite tall at the end of the season actually, but I forgot to take photos at this time. The stems were kind of thin compared to height. This winter, I covered it together with the sikkim and the basjoo next to it. With a big pile of straw inside a chicken-wire fence. Nothing to keep the rain out, so it did get wet inside. This didn't even affect basjoo, the sikkims didnæt like it but survived, and this musa helen rotted inside.. I am hoping the corm is big enough to have atleast one or two eyes so that new plants will pop up sometime in early summer. __________________

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the flying dutchman the flying dutchman's Photo Gallery Location: HOLLAND Find me on the map! Zone: 8 Name: Ron Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,031 BananaBucks : 103,701 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 48 Times Was Thanked 243 Times in 147 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 11 Times	Re: Helen's Hybrid Really interesting, maybe it is less hardy than Sikkimensis/Basjoo, the future will tell. Can't wait for the day someone succeeds to get bananas from this plant. Mine is only 2 inches so it will definitely not be me. ron

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bigdog ******* bigdog's Photo Gallery** Location: Gainesville, FL Find me on the map! Zone: 8b Name: Frank Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,001 BananaBucks : 712,254 Feedback: 7 / 100% Said "Thanks" 212 Times Was Thanked 1,787 Times in 502 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 131 Times	Re: Helen's Hybrid Chris, here's a picture I took a week or two ago of several of my bananas. Musa 'Helen's Hybrid' is on the left. A couple of the leaves are burnt in that pic because I let it dry out one time before I planted it. Since that picture, the main pseudostem has grown a full leaf and is unfurling another. Here's the latest leaf. They keep getting more and more colorful with each one that opens!

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mrbungalow Freezing member mrbungalow's Photo Gallery Location: Bergen, Norway Find me on the map! Zone: 8 Name: Erlend Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 598 BananaBucks : 40,497 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 14 Times Was Thanked 163 Times in 78 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 3 Times	Re: Helen's Hybrid I have not seen helens' hyrbid fruit, but if it is anything like sikkimensis, I would rather go for d. Orinoco or d. brazilian - if edible fruit is the goal. __________________

07-10-2007, 04:13 AM	#16 (permalink)
xyzzy Tropically Bonkers Location: Devon, UK. Find me on the map! Zone: 9b, but UK so no sun, always raining and infested with slugs. Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 120 BananaBucks : 23,608 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 0 Times Was Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Helen's Hybrid I have some but mine are grown bent due to growing all leaves on one side because of wind direction. __________________ There is no such thing as can't grow it - but the determination required may lose you your partner, family and friends - but does that matter?.

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MediaHound Tally-Man MediaHound's Photo Gallery Location: Florida Find me on the map! Zone: 10 Name: Jarred Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,258 BananaBucks : 1,929,268 Feedback: 66 / 100% Said "Thanks" 3,853 Times Was Thanked 5,052 Times in 1,350 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 2,085 Times	Re: Helen's Hybrid Bigdog, I added your location to the "Members growing this banana" map in the wiki. If you ever want to add your location to the members growing this banana map you can use this code: Code: 35.97915222700156, -84.02719259262085, [[User:bigdog]] xyzzy, I got you in there too, if you want to go through the wiki and pin yourself for any other bananas, you can use this code for your location: Code: 50.3734961443035, -3.5595703125, [[User:xyzzy]] To see what I'm talking about, you can view this URL: http://www.bananas.org/w/index.php?t...dit&section=11 Thats the edit link for the Helen's Hybrid map. You can view it to see the format to add new entries on new lines. I would add your location, Tropicallvr, but I dont know your latitude and longitude. If your interested, could you fill out the member map so I can get your lat and long? That map is this one: http://www.bananas.org/vbgooglemapme.php __________________ Apologies in advance if I am slow to reply to your PM. I suggest posting in the forums for support if you need something urgent.

07-10-2007, 10:43 AM	#18 (permalink)
xyzzy Tropically Bonkers Location: Devon, UK. Find me on the map! Zone: 9b, but UK so no sun, always raining and infested with slugs. Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 120 BananaBucks : 23,608 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 0 Times Was Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Helen's Hybrid I've added a few, will add some more. I can't find my Musa ×paradisiaca L (French Plantain ) on your list. Where should I put that? - and Williams Hybrid? __________________ There is no such thing as can't grow it - but the determination required may lose you your partner, family and friends - but does that matter?.

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MediaHound Tally-Man MediaHound's Photo Gallery Location: Florida Find me on the map! Zone: 10 Name: Jarred Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 5,258 BananaBucks : 1,929,268 Feedback: 66 / 100% Said "Thanks" 3,853 Times Was Thanked 5,052 Times in 1,350 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 2,085 Times	Re: Helen's Hybrid http://www.bananas.org/wiki/Musa_Green_French http://www.bananas.org/wiki/Musa_Williams_Hybrid __________________ Apologies in advance if I am slow to reply to your PM. I suggest posting in the forums for support if you need something urgent.

07-10-2007, 03:09 PM	#20 (permalink)
xyzzy Tropically Bonkers Location: Devon, UK. Find me on the map! Zone: 9b, but UK so no sun, always raining and infested with slugs. Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 120 BananaBucks : 23,608 Feedback: 0 / 0% Said "Thanks" 0 Times Was Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times	Re: Helen's Hybrid I've added quite a few of mine. Is normal M cavendish the same thing as M Giant Cavendish? I have normal M Cavendish (Not dwarf)? Any ideas what M Violet is - is it a form of M Ornata? __________________ There is no such thing as can't grow it - but the determination required may lose you your partner, family and friends - but does that matter?. Last edited by xyzzy : 07-10-2007 at 03:20 PM.

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