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Old 01-09-2010, 12:41 AM   #261 (permalink)
 
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Everyone except California is icing over lol. Arctic jet streams are a bitch, no?

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It is cold, but the real problem here is that this has been going on for a week now and it is not over yet. My plants have been covered everyday for the last week except Thursday when we had a short break during the day and got into the 60s. Today we will barely get above freezing--IN FLORIDA!
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It got down to exactly zero degrees F the last 2 nights in a row in St Louis. The weather forcast shows that the extreme cold is over for now, highs in the 40s here this week.
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All I know is its cold :^) 15F the last 2 nights & I'm glad my pindo's look good. Your right hopefully the worst is past.. ;^) with warm weather on the horizon..
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It was cold a couple days ago. Went down to 5F!!! With a windchill of -6F and -8F!!! But that was only for a couple seconds, glad it's not standing temps. Since we barely had any snow December, we have nice, clean snow instead of the usual ugly January snow.
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First day above freezing since new years eve in St Loius. the snow is melting now, its like a spring day compared to last weeks weather. In the 40s most of the week here.
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I just noticed, that Washington (Alexandria...) etc has very similar climate than my own. Could you please tell me, what the lowest temperatures in your region usually are (annually), extreme lows etc...? I've read that many Washingtonia robustas and filiferas are grown in the D.C. yet I have doubts it would be very succesful in here. Could you please shed more light into your climate, maybe describe it a little more... Summer and winter temps. I would appreciate it.
Btw. I just noticed there's a city called California just south of you and a city called Warsaw even more to the south. Funny.
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I just noticed, that Washington (Alexandria...) etc has very similar climate than my own. Could you please tell me, what the lowest temperatures in your region usually are (annually), extreme lows etc...? I've read that many Washingtonia robustas and filiferas are grown in the D.C. yet I have doubts it would be very succesful in here. Could you please shed more light into your climate, maybe describe it a little more... Summer and winter temps. I would appreciate it.
Btw. I just noticed there's a city called California just south of you and a city called Warsaw even more to the south. Funny.
Hi, I live in St Louis MO (similar climate as DC). I tried growing a washingtonia filifera outside and it died in early december. I think it got too wet (we had record rain fall in Oct and Nov). Do you get a lot of rain where live in the fall and winter? If you do and attempt to grow a washingtonia palm I have read that you should cut of the leaves in the fall before the temps normally drop below 40 at night and cover it with a tarp for the winter to keep the truck dry. Washingtonias do not like to be cold and wet at the same time. I have had better sucess with Tach Fortunei (windmill palms). this is my second winter with them. Our average min temp each winter is normally between 0 and 5 F.
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Hi, I live in St Louis MO (similar climate as DC). I tried growing a washingtonia filifera outside and it died in early december. I think it got too wet (we had record rain fall in Oct and Nov). Do you get a lot of rain where live in the fall and winter? If you do and attempt to grow a washingtonia palm I have read that you should cut of the leaves in the fall before the temps normally drop below 40 at night and cover it with a tarp for the winter to keep the truck dry. Washingtonias do not like to be cold and wet at the same time. I have had better sucess with Tach Fortunei (windmill palms). this is my second winter with them. Our average min temp each winter is normally between 0 and 5 F.
Well, it rains and snows here a lot, there is practically no dry season in my neighbourhood, so I think that water might be a big problem. Yet I think we have slightly warmer winters than what you described. 5°F is very rare here, most of the winters are with minimums of 12°F or so...
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Well, it rains and snows here a lot, there is practically no dry season in my neighbourhood, so I think that water might be a big problem. Yet I think we have slightly warmer winters than what you described. 5°F is very rare here, most of the winters are with minimums of 12°F or so...
Do you have any Windmill Palms (Tacharpyus Fortunei). They handle the wet cold much better than washingtonia palms but they grow a lot slower. Needle palm would be another good palm to grow if you have warm summers.

I have another Washingtonia Filifera in my heated Greenhouse that I plan on planting outside in April. My plan is to buy a portable greenhouse/hot house to cover it in the fall and through the winter. I have my 4 windmill palms covered with umnrella greenhouses and I have heat cables and 45 watt halogen lights inside them, it will stay up to 25 degrees warmer in the umbrella greenhouses. I cover them with blankets when its really cold and that helps retain the heat at night.
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Old 01-11-2010, 04:17 PM   #272 (permalink)
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Do you have any Windmill Palms (Tacharpyus Fortunei). They handle the wet cold much better than washingtonia palms but they grow a lot slower. Needle palm would be another good palm to grow if you have warm summers.

I have another Washingtonia Filifera in my heated Greenhouse that I plan on planting outside in April. My plan is to buy a portable greenhouse/hot house to cover it in the fall and through the winter. I have my 4 windmill palms covered with umnrella greenhouses and I have heat cables and 45 watt halogen lights inside them, it will stay up to 25 degrees warmer in the umbrella greenhouses. I cover them with blankets when its really cold and that helps retain the heat at night.
Call me crazy, but all the palms I'm gonna plant in the soil will be unprotected. There just have to be strong palms, that will survive. No Trachys, not yet, I've got 7 small potted though. Like 1,1/4 of leaves. Growing soooo slowly, Washingtonias are 6x times faster. And I have around 50 spare plants, so I might end up losing my mind completely and plant them each year over and over again if they die.

But I was kind hoping, that the limit of 15°F I read on the internet was too low, that it can take as much as Butia (which is pretty much a limit here).

Some palm might be able to adapt (from those that are 8a) and I intend to find and grow it.
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If it only gets down to 15F there you should be fine with Windmill palms and neddle palms with no protection (protection is important is you get temps below 10F otherwise you will have leaf damage. One thing that is very important is plant at a minumum a 7 gallon plant (the bigger the better) and plant in the spring so that it has time to get established before winter. Well drained soil is also very important. If you try a washingtonia palm I have heard that Robusta's are better under wet winter conditions than filifera's are even though filiferas are supposed to be more cold hardy. Good luck.
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Jack, you try Sabal palms, those are really hardy. I'm gonna grow a lot of those this year.
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What do you guys grow/have tried already and with what succes? I'm just curious what might be worth a shot.

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If it only gets down to 15F there you should be fine with Windmill palms and neddle palms with no protection (protection is important is you get temps below 10F otherwise you will have leaf damage. One thing that is very important is plant at a minumum a 7 gallon plant (the bigger the better) and plant in the spring so that it has time to get established before winter. Well drained soil is also very important. If you try a washingtonia palm I have heard that Robusta's are better under wet winter conditions than filifera's are even though filiferas are supposed to be more cold hardy. Good luck.
Thanks for your advices. I too heard that filiferas are more cold tolerant, but unfortunatelly I have only robustas. So one way or another, I'm gonna try it out. Maybe even convince someone else here to try it too.

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Jack, you try Sabal palms, those are really hardy. I'm gonna grow a lot of those this year.
Yep, lots of them germinated for me. Also Nannorrhopses. But they need drier climate. Unfortunatelly I wasn't able to find any Sabal palmetto seeds. That's bad, because Sabal palmetto grows much higher and is aestethically more appealing than Sabal minor, wouldn't you agree?
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Yep, lots of them germinated for me. Also Nannorrhopses. But they need drier climate. Unfortunatelly I wasn't able to find any Sabal palmetto seeds. That's bad, because Sabal palmetto grows much higher and is aestethically more appealing than Sabal minor, wouldn't you agree?
Defiantly, Sabal Palmettos are cooler than sabal minors in my opinion and pretty dang tall, up to 90ft or taller! I was going to buy a Nannorrhops but since they need dry arid climates, I decided not to. Jack, as for those robustas, GO FOR IT!!! I'm gonna grow some myself and see how good it goes!
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I mulched more of my plants today since it was 40F today. Were having a warm week with lows in the high 20's or low 30's. I hope the worst is over but you can't be to prepared. So far the lowest temps were 5F with short, mild, windchill's down to -8F that only last for less than a sec. I was right on a mild winter...so far...
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Its been over 50 degrees in St Louis 2 days in a row now. most of our snow is melted except for some left in parking lots. Its crazy that a week ago it was only in the teens during the day and single didgets at night. We had one night that dropped to exactly zero but nothing sub zero like they got north and west of here. I washed my car today, it was like a spring day today.
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The coldest month of the year didn't leave without a fight, on the last few days of January, we were hit with the coldest temps so far, 3F!!! But it's warming up now. I have to admit that it's has been pretty mild. Hardly any snow on the ground. It just started to snow again today. We should have like 3ft of it. Though it's been mild...winter's not over yet...
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