Dwarf Orinoco Pre Flag - Page 2

Tytaylor77 · 08-24-2016, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geissene

Amazing how many nanas you got!

Yea, I have heard that the roots die back when stored like this. When I put the plant outside in spring, I kept the the roots on the plant. (Not sure if I should have removed them or if it matters.) It took about 1 month before there was any sign of leaf growth (early June).

I'm going to have a 5' tall Veinte Cohol that will be too big to grow indoors, so I'll try bare root storage. I'll keep a small pup growing in a pot as a backup.

Awesome keep us updated how the bare root VC does. I'm very interested.

geissene · 09-01-2016, 12:11 PM

Tytaylor: I will do VC updates next year!

So my dwarf orinoco is pretty much done making small fruits. The picture below was taken this morning. Every day, another petal falls off and so do the tiny flowers. Several rounded abdomen wasps are still on the flowers from morning till night!

I ended up with 4 hands and finger counts of 8, 8, 7, and 2 from top to bottom. So there is a potential to have 25 bananas before the first frost! This happens usually in mid-November.

I do have some thoughts on areas to improve my method for next year.

In early spring, I planted the bare root orinoco outdoors. It took about an entire month before there were signs of leaf growth. As we know, the corm is growing new roots before it pushes leaves.

Perhaps I can give the roots a head-start on the spring season by potting up the dormant plant prior to putting outside. This would allow the roots to develop faster. Maybe with the aide of a burlap sack I can keep the new roots intact as I transfer back into the ground.
Last fall, I let the plant's leaves die off with the first hard frost. I then cut the petioles back to the p-stem with a scissors in prepartion to move the plant indoors. What I noticed was the petioles continued to weep sap for several days after being cut! This must equate to lost energy and perhaps is part of the reason some people's plants 'rot away' over the winter.

This year, I plan to just cut away the dried/dead leaf material but keep the petioles (maybe just bend them down and tie/tape to the p-stem). I plan to do this with my basjoo as well since they had the same issue!

This year, I have another equally sized orinoco that I can experiment with that should fruit next summer. Hopefully with these tweaks and whatever ideas other people suggest, I can get more than 25 potential bananas next year!!!

Regards,

Erik G in Pennsylvania

Tytaylor77 · 09-01-2016, 03:05 PM

Looks great!!! I wouldn't change too much what you did worked great!! I have tried both ways when I cover mine. I have bent down leaves thinking they would add insulation to the banana. I have cut all leaves off at the Pstem after the first frost. Cutting at the Pstem is better for me but my plants stay in the ground. It will be interesting to see what works better for you storing it dry. I really hope you get close to ripe bananas before your first frost. It's gonna be cool to see if both our bunches fill and ripen at the same speed.

Here is the comparison bunch. 9 hands. 11 fingers on first hand.

A new huge flower from a dwarf Orinoco.

Yard stick next to the huge new flower. It's the biggest ever. The pictures really don't do it justice. The top of the bunch stalk where it comes out of the Pstem is bigger around than a coke can!!

scottu · 09-01-2016, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geissene

Tytaylor: I will do VC updates next year!

So my dwarf orinoco is pretty much done making small fruits. The picture below was taken this morning. Every day, another petal falls off and so do the tiny flowers. Several rounded abdomen wasps are still on the flowers from morning till night!

I ended up with 4 hands and finger counts of 8, 8, 7, and 2 from top to bottom. So there is a potential to have 25 bananas before the first frost! This happens usually in mid-November.

I do have some thoughts on areas to improve my method for next year.

In early spring, I planted the bare root orinoco outdoors. It took about an entire month before there were signs of leaf growth. As we know, the corm is growing new roots before it pushes leaves.

Perhaps I can give the roots a head-start on the spring season by potting up the dormant plant prior to putting outside. This would allow the roots to develop faster. Maybe with the aide of a burlap sack I can keep the new roots intact as I transfer back into the ground.
Last fall, I let the plant's leaves die off with the first hard frost. I then cut the petioles back to the p-stem with a scissors in prepartion to move the plant indoors. What I noticed was the petioles continued to weep sap for several days after being cut! This must equate to lost energy and perhaps is part of the reason some people's plants 'rot away' over the winter.

This year, I plan to just cut away the dried/dead leaf material but keep the petioles (maybe just bend them down and tie/tape to the p-stem). I plan to do this with my basjoo as well since they had the same issue!

This year, I have another equally sized orinoco that I can experiment with that should fruit next summer. Hopefully with these tweaks and whatever ideas other people suggest, I can get more than 25 potential bananas next year!!!

Regards,

Erik G in Pennsylvania

Hey Erik, I think you need to take into account the odd weather we had in the early spring, An early very warm period and than the late very cold period sure makes it hard to average in for future predictions.
you are doing great!
scottu

Kevin2685 · 09-10-2016, 10:12 AM

Both of you are way ahead of me but can I join the DO party.

Tytaylor77 · 09-10-2016, 07:36 PM

Woohoo congrats Kevin. I know your excited and I hope it does great.

geissene · 09-10-2016, 09:10 PM

Hi Kevin

Congrats! Looks great! Based on the picture, looks like someone is raining on your party. Haha

Erik

Kevin2685 · 09-11-2016, 08:04 AM

Lol yeah we just had a storm that night. Unfortunately I will have to bring this inside in a month so we will see how it goes. Not going to be fun bringing it inside.
Hopefully the pup that's the same size will hold off on flowering until spring then I can plant it in the ground and have more time with that one.

chris_zx2 · 09-12-2016, 12:40 PM

Awesome!!!! Can basjoo be stored the same way? And what exactly did you do? Was it just garbage bags around roots, no water or light all winter?

Kevin2685 · 09-12-2016, 01:14 PM

Basjoo are a really hardy banana. I'm in zone 5 and I have a huge 3 year old mat. You should keep them in the ground.straw and mulch and a heavy tarp and your good.

chris_zx2 · 09-12-2016, 02:32 PM

I'm in Montreal quebec....I know it's border line here...

Kevin2685 · 09-12-2016, 03:17 PM

I'm in zone 5 and we have cold winters. I even left some uncovered and they died down to the corm but put out pups. Every year mine get bigger and bigger. If it's not in the ground I wouldn't do it this year but next spring I would.
They perform much better in the ground. This is mine this year.

geissene · 09-12-2016, 08:32 PM

chris: After a few days in plastic, the garbage bags trapped in moisture so I kept them loose and open. They mainly helped to keep things clean - there was dirt on the corm and the top of the stem would leak sap from having the leaves cut off.

All I did was dig up the plant and wash the corm off as good as possible with a hose. Then tried to keep the plant in a dark place with temps below 60F. I put it outside in spring after the last frost and even left the old roots on the corm. It took a month for the first signs of life to emerge but then it took off growing!

I agree with Kevin, large basjoo can be stored bare root but its easier to cover them with mulch and keep outside. His basjoo mat is really amazing! My outdoor basjoo recovered much faster in the spring than ones I kept indoors. I would say the plant should be at least 4' tall before trying to over winter it outdoors.

Erik

Kevin2685 · 09-12-2016, 09:22 PM

There are other growers in Canada look at what they are doing to theirs but just straw and mulch and covered should be more then enough. I went over board last year they didn't want to stay dormant before spring so they were pushing up into the tarp.
This year I'm trying some other varieties in ground. Hopefully the blue Java and the Mekong giant make it.

chris_zx2 · 09-14-2016, 07:53 PM

Wow blue java outside in zone 5!! Let me know. I have one in a pot at my store in front of huge patio doors and windows.
My basjoo are over 4 feet and in the ground. I actually planted one a foot down to test the difference. What do you guys do with small pups? I might try to remove them and pot them for winter...
I think I kind do of hijacked this thread...sorry!!!!

sputinc7 · 09-14-2016, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin2685

There are other growers in Canada look at what they are doing to theirs but just straw and mulch and covered should be more then enough. I went over board last year they didn't want to stay dormant before spring so they were pushing up into the tarp.
This year I'm trying some other varieties in ground. Hopefully the blue Java and the Mekong giant make it.

Be sure to kiss them good bye... I can't see anything less than Basjoo surviving a midwest winter.

Kevin2685 · 09-15-2016, 06:44 AM

Yeah me either but want to try and see how couple different varieties do. Plus I'm running out of room inside the house

Got pups as backups so it won't be a total loss

geissene · 10-06-2016, 12:12 PM

HI All!

I guess I will re-hijack this thread with an update to the original posting! haha

My dwarf orinoco fruit progress has been slow... It was nice to watch and smell the flower bloom for the last 2 months! The fruit has filled in some and I don't expect much more since cooler weather has arrived. There is probably less than 30 days till the first frost.

Its been a neat experiment, and I hope next year's crop will be better.

Erik G

Paulzie32 · 10-06-2016, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin2685

Yeah me either but want to try and see how couple different varieties do. Plus I'm running out of room inside the house

Got pups as backups so it won't be a total loss

Keep us all updated! I'd Love to hear what makes it... if any

Kevin2685 · 10-06-2016, 04:40 PM

Here is a update on my progress Erik. I have to move this indoors in next couple days and going to try to finish it under some grow lights.

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geissene Location: Pennsylvania Zone: 6 Name: Erik Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 489 BananaBucks : 99,167 Feedback: 1 / 100% Said "Thanks" 301 Times Was Thanked 983 Times in 317 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 16 Times	Re: Dwarf Orinoco Pre Flag Tytaylor: I will do VC updates next year! So my dwarf orinoco is pretty much done making small fruits. The picture below was taken this morning. Every day, another petal falls off and so do the tiny flowers. Several rounded abdomen wasps are still on the flowers from morning till night! I ended up with 4 hands and finger counts of 8, 8, 7, and 2 from top to bottom. So there is a potential to have 25 bananas before the first frost! This happens usually in mid-November. I do have some thoughts on areas to improve my method for next year. In early spring, I planted the bare root orinoco outdoors. It took about an entire month before there were signs of leaf growth. As we know, the corm is growing new roots before it pushes leaves. Perhaps I can give the roots a head-start on the spring season by potting up the dormant plant prior to putting outside. This would allow the roots to develop faster. Maybe with the aide of a burlap sack I can keep the new roots intact as I transfer back into the ground. Last fall, I let the plant's leaves die off with the first hard frost. I then cut the petioles back to the p-stem with a scissors in prepartion to move the plant indoors. What I noticed was the petioles continued to weep sap for several days after being cut! This must equate to lost energy and perhaps is part of the reason some people's plants 'rot away' over the winter. This year, I plan to just cut away the dried/dead leaf material but keep the petioles (maybe just bend them down and tie/tape to the p-stem). I plan to do this with my basjoo as well since they had the same issue! This year, I have another equally sized orinoco that I can experiment with that should fruit next summer. Hopefully with these tweaks and whatever ideas other people suggest, I can get more than 25 potential bananas next year!!! Regards, Erik G in Pennsylvania

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chris_zx2 Sub Zero Tropical Keeper Location: Pierrefonds, Quebec Find me on the map! Zone: 5 Name: Chris Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 139 BananaBucks : 16,051 Feedback: 1 / 100% Said "Thanks" 85 Times Was Thanked 142 Times in 82 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 8 Times	Re: Dwarf Orinoco Pre Flag I'm in Montreal quebec....I know it's border line here... __________________ --Chris So far: Dwarf Cavendish -- Basjoo -- Bunch of Truly Tiny

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Kevin2685 kevin2685 Location: sheridan,Indiana Find me on the map! Zone: 5 Name: kevin Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 244 BananaBucks : 32,395 Feedback: 1 / 100% Said "Thanks" 366 Times Was Thanked 407 Times in 142 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 18 Times	Re: Dwarf Orinoco Pre Flag I'm in zone 5 and we have cold winters. I even left some uncovered and they died down to the corm but put out pups. Every year mine get bigger and bigger. If it's not in the ground I wouldn't do it this year but next spring I would. They perform much better in the ground. This is mine this year. __________________ Currently growing Musa basjoo Dwarf orinico Variegated dwarf namwah Aeae Patupi Veinte cohol Musa lasiocarpa (golden lotus) Musa velutina Raja puri Mekong giant Double cavendish Super dwarf cavendish Truly tiny Musa laterita Ensete maurelli

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geissene Location: Pennsylvania Zone: 6 Name: Erik Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 489 BananaBucks : 99,167 Feedback: 1 / 100% Said "Thanks" 301 Times Was Thanked 983 Times in 317 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 16 Times	Re: Dwarf Orinoco Pre Flag chris: After a few days in plastic, the garbage bags trapped in moisture so I kept them loose and open. They mainly helped to keep things clean - there was dirt on the corm and the top of the stem would leak sap from having the leaves cut off. All I did was dig up the plant and wash the corm off as good as possible with a hose. Then tried to keep the plant in a dark place with temps below 60F. I put it outside in spring after the last frost and even left the old roots on the corm. It took a month for the first signs of life to emerge but then it took off growing! I agree with Kevin, large basjoo can be stored bare root but its easier to cover them with mulch and keep outside. His basjoo mat is really amazing! My outdoor basjoo recovered much faster in the spring than ones I kept indoors. I would say the plant should be at least 4' tall before trying to over winter it outdoors. Erik

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Kevin2685 kevin2685 Location: sheridan,Indiana Find me on the map! Zone: 5 Name: kevin Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 244 BananaBucks : 32,395 Feedback: 1 / 100% Said "Thanks" 366 Times Was Thanked 407 Times in 142 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 18 Times	Re: Dwarf Orinoco Pre Flag There are other growers in Canada look at what they are doing to theirs but just straw and mulch and covered should be more then enough. I went over board last year they didn't want to stay dormant before spring so they were pushing up into the tarp. This year I'm trying some other varieties in ground. Hopefully the blue Java and the Mekong giant make it. __________________ Currently growing Musa basjoo Dwarf orinico Variegated dwarf namwah Aeae Patupi Veinte cohol Musa lasiocarpa (golden lotus) Musa velutina Raja puri Mekong giant Double cavendish Super dwarf cavendish Truly tiny Musa laterita Ensete maurelli

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09-15-2016, 06:44 AM	#37 (permalink)
Kevin2685 kevin2685 Location: sheridan,Indiana Find me on the map! Zone: 5 Name: kevin Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 244 BananaBucks : 32,395 Feedback: 1 / 100% Said "Thanks" 366 Times Was Thanked 407 Times in 142 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 18 Times	Re: Dwarf Orinoco Pre Flag Yeah me either but want to try and see how couple different varieties do. Plus I'm running out of room inside the house Got pups as backups so it won't be a total loss __________________ Currently growing Musa basjoo Dwarf orinico Variegated dwarf namwah Aeae Patupi Veinte cohol Musa lasiocarpa (golden lotus) Musa velutina Raja puri Mekong giant Double cavendish Super dwarf cavendish Truly tiny Musa laterita Ensete maurelli

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geissene Location: Pennsylvania Zone: 6 Name: Erik Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 489 BananaBucks : 99,167 Feedback: 1 / 100% Said "Thanks" 301 Times Was Thanked 983 Times in 317 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 16 Times	Re: Dwarf Orinoco Pre Flag HI All! I guess I will re-hijack this thread with an update to the original posting! haha My dwarf orinoco fruit progress has been slow... It was nice to watch and smell the flower bloom for the last 2 months! The fruit has filled in some and I don't expect much more since cooler weather has arrived. There is probably less than 30 days till the first frost. Its been a neat experiment, and I hope next year's crop will be better. Erik G

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Kevin2685 kevin2685 Location: sheridan,Indiana Find me on the map! Zone: 5 Name: kevin Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 244 BananaBucks : 32,395 Feedback: 1 / 100% Said "Thanks" 366 Times Was Thanked 407 Times in 142 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 18 Times	Re: Dwarf Orinoco Pre Flag Here is a update on my progress Erik. I have to move this indoors in next couple days and going to try to finish it under some grow lights. __________________ Currently growing Musa basjoo Dwarf orinico Variegated dwarf namwah Aeae Patupi Veinte cohol Musa lasiocarpa (golden lotus) Musa velutina Raja puri Mekong giant Double cavendish Super dwarf cavendish Truly tiny Musa laterita Ensete maurelli Last edited by Kevin2685 : 10-06-2016 at 04:42 PM. Reason: Added something

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