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before i go wading in with both feet and buy both, are they the same or not?

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Tropicallvr

It's hard to say if they are the same, but red tiger was for sale before Manipur came on the market. Manipur is likely very hardy(probally just as hardy as red tiger, and they might look exactly the same also, but from different locations.).

mrbungalow

I have not grown manipur, but Red Tiger and Regular Sikkimensis seem to differ. The red tiger seedlings are not as vigourous compared to regular sikkimensis. Also, stems on the red tiger appear to be more yellow. The roots also look different: thinner and more threadlike on red tiger.

At first I was sure the whole "red tiger" deal was just an exageration to boost sales for seed-dealers. But now I am getting second thoughts.

According to Phil at Trebrown, the red tiger inhabits a different niche/habitat than regular sikkimensis. Red tiger is said to grow in dryer conditions. Regular sikkims grow in the wet mountainous areas of northern india.

I am also growing "Darjeeling giant", wich is a cross between sikkimensis and "something", probably balbisiana... These seedlings show very little vigour compared to regular sikkimensis and the super-vigourous "Helens hybrid". Then again, when bananas are past the 8-leaf seedling-stage they usually take off nicely.

Erlend

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mrbungalow

Europalms' Musa sikkimensis "Manipur"

Seed grown Musa Sikkimensis (in middle) with seed-source "Banana-tree.com"


I can't see any difference between manipur and regular sikkim.

Erlend

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Mark Hall

Kev you will also come across Sikki Red Dragon and Sikki Red Flash.

The same plant probably just different sellers trying to make you think theres another type around.

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mrbungalow

Yes, I agree with mark. This also seems to be the case with ensete ventricosum to name one. I don't know how many new forms of "maurelli" have appeared lately, but it's quite a few.. -All purplish red.

In business, the more segmented a market is, the more cash you can pull out of the market. Why should the plant-trade be any different? Especially in online seed-dealing where confusion about names has allready reached the point of anarchy. You might not even manage to sprout the seeds, sometimes wait years for physical characteristics to appear, and on top of this consider genetic variation in seeds! By the time you have a mature plant you will forget where and how you got it! The seed trade can be an unmoral marketing-segmenters dream! How many people bother to demand a refund for getting the "wrong" plants or plants that aren't as cold-hardy as they promised? I am still pretty sure a few of us would like a refund on some of those expensive "trachycarpus latisectus" seeds that hit the market a few years ago, and grew into something that certainly can't rival the good old windmill-palm!

Luckily though, there are still many great seed-dealers out there, with a burning passion about what they do. It's the ones exagarating cold hardiness and spreading false information that really ruins my day. Glad I got a chance to get this off my chest!

Erlend

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Hmmmm. just as I thought. confusion reigns in 'nana world' as usual.

Well... I've just bought 5 Sikkimensis Red Tiger plants from Germany so we'll see (cheaper than paying the crazy prices Manipur are going for in the UK).

The leaf markings (in the pics at least) look very different to Erlend's Manipur pics. I will post some as and when.

Anyway off on hols to Italia at the weekend, so its down to my next door neighbour to pot them up for me when they arrive, along with the Rajapuri's and Dwarf Brazilian's currently winging their way in from the U.S.


Spring has arrived in sunny Wiltshire in a big way, just hardening off the contents of my greenhouse 'enclosure' ready for the summer. looks like QPR have avoided the drop too, get in...

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