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Old 08-07-2014, 02:00 PM   #41 (permalink)
 
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Guys, are you able to say for certain these are Basjoos? They look a bit different then my basjoos I ordered online, especially the trunk seems to be thicker on my online ones and they are mush smaller. Also the ones I got online seem much greener overall including the trunk. I went back to Home Depot and they are labeled Musa Ensete..... but looking at ensete online it doesn't look anything like this.... I am confused.
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Ya musa ensete is not a thing, they are different genus of plants. Related but different. Please post pics off all your nanners and we can get them identified.
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Guys, are you able to say for certain these are Basjoos? They look a bit different then my basjoos I ordered online, especially the trunk seems to be thicker on my online ones and they are mush smaller. Also the ones I got online seem much greener overall including the trunk. I went back to Home Depot and they are labeled Musa Ensete..... but looking at ensete online it doesn't look anything like this.... I am confused.
If you bought them from a big box store there is a good possibility that they are not Basjoo .Big box stores normally DO NOT sell them.
Are you able to take a pic of the upc symbol and nursery name of the container that they came in
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Are you able to take a pic of the upc symbol and nursery name of the container that they came in
I will do that when I am at HD next time, maybe tomorrow. I do have the pics of the plant but not sure how to link them here from gallery, one of them someone added in the beginning of this thread, its the one which is deep planted and not doing so well.

edit. so I looked and I think that is the only pic I uploaded, its early in this thread, 2nd or 3rd post. I will take another pic of the other plant and post later if needed. That one I also cut off all the leaves that came from the store (looked poor and mostly broken) but it already put out 5 new leaves since planting it 4 or 5 weeks ago.

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This a Basjoo note the leaf structure the color of the midrib and the spear shape of the leaf.
Also check out the hole that it will be planted in, look how big it is for that new plant to fill that area with roots.
Any plant that I plant will have an awesome hole to grow in.
Many times when a hole is dug in clay it( the hole) acts as a bowl which holds water and will kill your Basjoo in the winter. My soil is hard clay in most areas where I want to plant bananas.
Planting your plant in well drained soil will facilitate success.

Bigger the Ho the bigger they grow.

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Old 08-11-2014, 10:06 AM   #47 (permalink)
 
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Ok so I was able to take some pics of the bigger plants I got at Home Depot and the Basjoos I ordered online from Florida Hill Nursery I believe. Even though there are differences the leaves look similar to me, the bigger plants are more developed so hard to really compare. Would you say none of these are Basjoos then? I will try to post pics here and comment.

Here is the photo of deep planted banana with new growth


Here is two photos of the second large plant that I got from HD. There is also a small basjoo there I got online that was in shade and did not grow well early in season.



Here is photos of the two other small Basjoos I got online, these are about 2 1/2 feet tall and the one in front has shot out a pup I just noticed yesterday. I am amazing that its so small and already puppying. They look fairly similar to the biggers plants but I am still new at this. Can anyone help with identifying these and the bigger plants?




The two small bananas in the pot here are ice cream, at least that is what I ordered
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They all look like basjoos to me. Your ice creams are almost certainly namwah
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is namwah some kind of ice cream banana type? I thought there was just Ice Cream Banana . I am surprise you are able to tell cuz I can't even tell its a banana from these pics. They are in poor shape, one got pulled out and chewed up by my dog, the other also arrived with broken leaves, but both are pushing out new growth. Almost all leaves are dried up and I will probably cut them all off with exception of the new growth.

I am also glad the rest you think are Basjoos.

edit. I googled and see namwah is some kind of dwarf ice cream banana..... so I did not get what I ordered ? lol should I demand a replacement? I wanted a taste of supposedly best tasting banana.... or do they taste the same? Here I am talking about actually getting fruit in zone 6a, who am I kidding?

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This a Basjoo note the leaf structure the color of the midrib and the spear shape of the leaf.


Bigger the Ho the bigger they grow.
Yes that is a problem up here. I have a very rocky ground and digging is a nightmare, I use a pick axe just to loosen the dirt up to get enough space. Also I am not working with a lot of space around my landscape area as you can see so a much bigger hole like urs is almost impossible for me in most areas.
The two Basjoos in the front of the house (the smaller online purchase) have a very well drained soil. I have tried putting in multiple buckets of water there and it just goes right through, no puddling on top at all... I was amazed. The dirt there is soft so they can grow much easier then back yard. However, I mean to move those to the back yard next year when they grow bigger. They were meant for the pool area there and not the front of the house with regular plants.
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So I potted up all my plants and cut down the one i planted deep. We were supposed to get frost sunday night so i pulled them into the garage. My question is what do I do with them untill it gets cold enough? My garage is still about 60F and hardly any light. Should I be still watering them a bit and bringing outside? Couple seemed to be flopping but most look ok after 2 days in there. I guess cincinnana's opinion would be great appreciated as I am trying his method but anyones suggestions would help.
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What are your temps like there? I just brought all my pots in on the weekend, there was a little cold damage on the bananas. Dont water anymore. If night temps are consistently below 10C you should probably bring them in. Make sure there is lots of mulch on the basjoo outside.

As for digging, use a pry bar to loosen up all the rocks and dig as much as you can. Remove as many rocks as you can. Then mound soil/compost on top. My soil is a nightmare as well.

Your plant is most likely namwah because one of the main suppliers of tissue culture plants is supplying all of the nurseries with mislabeled ice cream plugs, which are actually a variety of namwah. Namwah aren't a type of ice cream banana, and I think most members actually prefer the namwah banana anyways. Other people in our zones have got fruit, so can you if you try hard enough ;-)

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So I potted up all my plants and cut down the one i planted deep. We were supposed to get frost sunday night so i pulled them into the garage. My question is what do I do with them untill it gets cold enough? My garage is still about 60F and hardly any light. Should I be still watering them a bit and bringing outside? Couple seemed to be flopping but most look ok after 2 days in there. I guess cincinnana's opinion would be great appreciated as I am trying his method but anyones suggestions would help.
Just tossing this in for thought....your Basjoo will take some cold/light frost until you have a hard frost, then the foliage is done.

Even though the air temp is for example 33 degrees the ground temp will be in the 55 degree range which is still a viable temp for some last minute root growth.
As the winter progresses and the air temp is 10 degrees the ground temp will still be about 45-55 degrees......BUT the warmer temperature will be 5-10 inches below the soil line/grade.
AS it gets colder yet the depth increases before you hit the warmer soil.

This is why is you plant your large mature corm deeper in the WELL DRAINED warmer zone of the soil. The insulating properties of the soil and distance from the surface will almost guarantee success in our cold zones.


You may bring them in and out if you wish but lightly water, they will start to look shocked /bad in a few days .....but that is what they do, just trim dead leaves off as needed.

Or try this ....Your house is a big heat sink right now, it gathers the heat/energy. from the sun in the day and disperses it during the night. NOTICE THIS.....when you have a frost there will be a frost free zone around your home for a few weeks until it gets too cold you may park your plants there... until it gets too cold. I will move many of my plants up next to the house in that zone to get the most out of the good weather. If you have a south facing wall thats even better.
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Just tossing this in for thought....your Basjoo will take some cold/light frost until you have a hard frost, then the foliage is done.

Even though the air temp is for example 33 degrees the ground temp will be in the 55 degree range which is still a viable temp for some last minute root growth.
As the winter progresses and the air temp is 10 degrees the ground temp will still be about 45-55 degrees......BUT the warmer temperature will be 5-10 inches below the soil line/grade.
AS it gets colder yet the depth increases before you hit the warmer soil.

This is why is you plant your large mature corm deeper in the WELL DRAINED warmer zone of the soil. The insulating properties of the soil and distance from the surface will almost guarantee success in our cold zones.


You may bring them in and out if you wish but lightly water, they will start to look shocked /bad in a few days .....but that is what they do, just trim dead leaves off as needed.

Or try this ....Your house is a big heat sink right now, it gathers the heat/energy. from the sun in the day and disperses it during the night. NOTICE THIS.....when you have a frost there will be a frost free zone around your home for a few weeks until it gets too cold you may park your plants there... until it gets too cold. I will move many of my plants up next to the house in that zone to get the most out of the good weather. If you have a south facing wall thats even better.
Thanks, will they grow new foliage in the dark? I only left 2-3 leafs max on each plant so I imagine there be none left fairly quickly when I trim them off.
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Thanks, will they grow new foliage in the dark? I only left 2-3 leafs max on each plant so I imagine there be none left fairly quickly when I trim them off.
You might get a few very weak leaves that are still pushing from the corm and in February the leaves might stop.
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Rafael - You maybe overthinking or worrying a bit about this whole winter storage issue. I've been aflicted with the banana growing disease for like 11 years now. My experience in Western PA - Pittsburgh should be similar to yours. First over the winter the main goal is to keep the pseudo stem of each banana alive - not really growing. No light is really need for this - cool temps actually are a plus - my integral garage banana/ tropical storage has often gone to 35 or so in mid winter with no real ill effect on the plants stored which include bananas in pots or bag - brugs -oleander - papyrus etc.. etc.. You'll want to occasionally wet/ moisten the root balls monthly or so but if the temps are on the low side do not allow the plants to stand in water or be totally saturated. In my experience this leads to a slow rot which only becomes evident when you try to bring them out of the winter dormancy in March April. I've tried to keep a few bananas or other tropicals upstairs as winter house plants and grown them well there over the winter, but in my opinion it's really not worth it as the winter grown is weak and turns ugly when you try to get them to grow outside in the summer. Save your energy and efforts for the spring - if the season gets started early try to get them off to an earlier start by taking them outside for those early sunny spring days and returning them inside for the cold nights. Good luck!! - looking forward to seeing your progress here!
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Thanks guys, I will just see how it goes, so far the naners in the garage are not looking great, they are drying up and becoming brown where dry, is this ok or is this rot? mostly on leaves and spots I cut them off. The deep planted banana does not want to go to sleep. I covered it with mulch but it keeps shooting up new leaves ! my dog goes crazy barking at them.
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So I got some pics, I see on some of them some stuff coming out, looks almost like frost but it is not, I wiped some of it off but it came back, any ideas or suggestions? They came up looking a lot nicer on pics then in reality



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Looks like powdery mildew. Wash with soap and water or spray a fungicide.
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[quote=RafaelNJ;253701]So I got some pics, I see on some of them some stuff coming out, looks almost like frost but it is not, I wiped some of it off but it came back, any ideas or suggestions? They came up looking a lot nicer on pics then in reality
Great pics.....so far so good
You will see a lot of changes in the look and health of your plants once the cooler weather grabs hold and most of it will not be pretty.
Instead of looking at them everyday you can now look at them once a week
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