Williams Hybrid? - Page 2

Magilla Gorilla · 11-02-2010, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ron_mcb

i have a mystery plant like yours..agristart was probably the main supplier no matter who you got it from.. Jared's pic is your closest bet to i.d. W. Hybrid...cavendish types. D.cav/G.nain/W.hybrid and a few others can look simular but are all different plants. They have distinguishable traits which are displayed espcecially during flowering..or so i believe. :-/

I will post some more pictures this weekend. The flower is opening. Thanks!!

jeffreyp · 11-04-2010, 09:06 PM

id guess mysore.

Magilla Gorilla · 11-06-2010, 02:23 PM

O.k. I went on the roof of the greenhouse for close up pictures. The flower is not very big. Any ideas now? Thank you!!!!!!

sandy0225 · 11-06-2010, 04:17 PM

normally the pups on a williams hybrid will have red splotches when they are young. Does it have any pups with red splotches or did they have red splotches when they were young?

Magilla Gorilla · 11-06-2010, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sandy0225

normally the pups on a williams hybrid will have red splotches when they are young. Does it have any pups with red splotches or did they have red splotches when they were young?

Hello Sandy. I have attached a picture of a pup. This plant has not flourished like the rest of my plants. This could be due to location. With this in mind it has not puped a lot. I don't see any splotches. Thanks!!

ron_mcb · 11-07-2010, 01:54 PM

with the dead material on the trunk it was hard to i.d. i will say what it does not look like...it looks like it doesn't belongs to Cavendish group.. at least none of the Cavendish type bananas i have. ..right now looks like the one i labeled dwarf orinoco last year..look at my dwarf orinoco pics..just saying how similar they look,the only difference is i didnt get any pinkish leaves.... different plant can look the same at flowering.will have to watch how the bunch develops for people to give a positive id. or even a close guess..
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sandy0225 · 11-07-2010, 06:53 PM

It doesn't look like a williams hybrid to me at all. Any of the pups I've ever had from them have the red "cavendish type" splotches of red on them. Always!
ladyfingers and ice creams don't have splotches on them. My ladyfinger bananas got pinkish color around the edges of the leaves and the petioles, but no red backsides like that one banana showed. Ladyfingers, ice cream, and hua moa get whitish colored backsides of the leaves, they look kind of frosted and the leaves come out of the stem differently than cavendish. The cavendish new leaves and the williams hyb and the gran nains--the new leaves come straight out of the center of the plant, telescope out and open. They have splotchy leaved pups, also the minis (SDC)do that.
The ladyfingers, ice creams and hua moa types, the leaves are "sticky". the new leaves stick to the petiole of the most recent leaf, then as they grow they pull out of that preceeding leaf petiole--a different kind of growth pattern.
I'm trying to think of different ones I've grown that show that kind of growth pattern. I'm sure there are many more.
You know what my ice cream bananas seem to pup late. They have to have a really big mama stem before it sends out pups in comparison to the other varieties I've grown. But unless that bloom darkens up, it doesn't look like ice cream to me or dwarf cavendish/williams/or gran nain.
At least you know what it isn't.

Magilla Gorilla · 11-07-2010, 08:11 PM

Thanks Sandy,

I have several flowering varieties (Ice Cream, Brazilian, SDC and Orinoco). This plant only slightly resembles my Orinoco in height but the flower is not dark enough. My Ice Creams are much larger, the flower is four times bigger and much darker. As the fruit gets bigger I will post some more pictures. This plant has not pupped as much as my Orinocos. I think this is due to the location and vastly differnt soil they both have.

Thanks again!

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sandy0225 Northern Tropics sandy0225's Photo Gallery Location: Muncie, Indiana zone 5 Find me on the map! Zone: zone 5 Name: Sandy Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,718 BananaBucks : 487,677 Feedback: 31 / 97% Said "Thanks" 38 Times Was Thanked 1,801 Times in 682 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 9 Times	Re: Williams Hybrid? It doesn't look like a williams hybrid to me at all. Any of the pups I've ever had from them have the red "cavendish type" splotches of red on them. Always! ladyfingers and ice creams don't have splotches on them. My ladyfinger bananas got pinkish color around the edges of the leaves and the petioles, but no red backsides like that one banana showed. Ladyfingers, ice cream, and hua moa get whitish colored backsides of the leaves, they look kind of frosted and the leaves come out of the stem differently than cavendish. The cavendish new leaves and the williams hyb and the gran nains--the new leaves come straight out of the center of the plant, telescope out and open. They have splotchy leaved pups, also the minis (SDC)do that. The ladyfingers, ice creams and hua moa types, the leaves are "sticky". the new leaves stick to the petiole of the most recent leaf, then as they grow they pull out of that preceeding leaf petiole--a different kind of growth pattern. I'm trying to think of different ones I've grown that show that kind of growth pattern. I'm sure there are many more. You know what my ice cream bananas seem to pup late. They have to have a really big mama stem before it sends out pups in comparison to the other varieties I've grown. But unless that bloom darkens up, it doesn't look like ice cream to me or dwarf cavendish/williams/or gran nain. At least you know what it isn't. __________________ Sandy Burrell Northern Tropics Greenhouse 1501 East Fuson Road Muncie, IN 47302 www.northerntropics.com specializing in bananas, heirloom tomatoes and water gardening plants~ check out our new online store at our website! Last edited by sandy0225 : 11-07-2010 at 07:06 PM.

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