Bananas.org

Welcome to the Bananas.org forums.

You're currently viewing our message boards as a guest which gives you limited access to participate in discussions and access our other features such as our wiki and photo gallery. By joining our community, you'll have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload photos, and access many other special features. Registration is fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

Go Back   Bananas.org > Banana Forum > Banana Identification
Register Photo Gallery Classifieds Wiki Chat Map Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Banana Identification Mystery Nanner? This is where you can get help to identify your banana plants. Upload some pics to your gallery and post a thread and let everyone know as much info that you have of the plant.


Members currently in the chatroom: 0
The most chatters online in one day was 17, 09-06-2009.
No one is currently using the chat.

Reply   Email this Page Email this Page
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 11-21-2016, 11:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
 
Location: UK (up north)
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 43
BananaBucks : 21,977
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 8 Times
Was Thanked 51 Times in 25 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1 Times
Default Thoughts on the ID of this beauty?

What you think guys? Any thoughts on the ID of this..

benbaron is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To benbaron
Said thanks:

Join Bananas.org Today!

Are you a banana plant enthusiast? Then we hope you will join the community. You will gain access to post, create threads, private message, upload images, join groups and more.

Bananas.org is owned and operated by fellow banana plant enthusiasts. We strive to offer a non-commercial community to learn and share information. Receive all three issues from Volume 1 of Bananas Magazine with your membership:
   

Join Bananas.org Today! - Click Here


Sponsors

Old 11-21-2016, 02:05 PM   #2 (permalink)
 
Location: Cairo, Ga
Zone: 8b
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 2,891
BananaBucks : 88,392
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 1,741 Times
Was Thanked 4,440 Times in 2,095 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 414 Times
Default Re: Thoughts on the ID of this beauty?

Yea! .... It is a BA NAN A.
__________________
edwmax is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To edwmax
Said thanks:
Old 11-21-2016, 02:21 PM   #3 (permalink)
 
mushtaq86's Avatar
 
Location: Hartlepool, UK
Name: Mushtaq
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 706
BananaBucks : 66,518
Feedback: 1 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 2,705 Times
Was Thanked 819 Times in 380 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 46 Times
Default Re: Thoughts on the ID of this beauty?

Hi Ben

Looks like Namwah pearl, could be wrong.
mushtaq86 is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To mushtaq86
Said thanks:
Old 11-21-2016, 06:43 PM   #4 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
pitangadiego's Avatar
 
Location: San Diego, CA
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,477
BananaBucks : 128,952
Feedback: 9 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 2 Times
Was Thanked 2,694 Times in 920 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 0 Times
Default Re: Thoughts on the ID of this beauty?

Definitely a banana. ;--)
__________________
Encanto Farms Nursery
http://encantofarms.com
We Be Bananas
http://webebananas.com
pitangadiego is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To pitangadiego
Said thanks:
Old 11-21-2016, 07:02 PM   #5 (permalink)
 
Location: Cairo, Ga
Zone: 8b
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 2,891
BananaBucks : 88,392
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 1,741 Times
Was Thanked 4,440 Times in 2,095 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 414 Times
Default Re: Thoughts on the ID of this beauty?

Quote:
Originally Posted by pitangadiego View Post
Definitely a banana. ;--)

Darn, I did get one right. :--)
__________________
edwmax is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To edwmax
Sponsors

Old 11-22-2016, 01:15 AM   #6 (permalink)
Banana Plants for Trade
 
Tytaylor77's Avatar
 
Location: East Texas
Zone: 8b
Name: Ty
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 1,367
BananaBucks : 47,396
Feedback: 11 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 4,612 Times
Was Thanked 3,726 Times in 1,185 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 424 Times
Default Re: Thoughts on the ID of this beauty?

Very cool. The only one I've seen with that look is the namwa pearl. Someone was selling them on eBay a few years back.
__________________
150+ Varieties!!. See profile for list. Help me add more!
Tytaylor77 is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Tytaylor77
Old 11-22-2016, 10:42 AM   #7 (permalink)
 
Location: UK (up north)
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 43
BananaBucks : 21,977
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 8 Times
Was Thanked 51 Times in 25 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1 Times
Default Re: Thoughts on the ID of this beauty?

Thought so, thanks guys. Havent seen it up close or there would be better pics. Soon....
benbaron is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To benbaron
Old 11-24-2016, 01:47 PM   #8 (permalink)
Moderator

 
Gabe15's Avatar
 
Location: Oahu, Hawaii
Zone: 12
Name: Gabe
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 3,892
BananaBucks : 13,338,229
Feedback: 5 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 1 Times
Was Thanked 8,237 Times in 2,200 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 8 Times
Default Re: Thoughts on the ID of this beauty?

It could be anything really, plants like that are often produced from strongly variegated cultivars like 'A'ea'e', but they are not viable once separated from the mat. Judging by the looks of it, it's a recently separated young sucker that was potted up, I wouldn't get too excited that it can survive for too long.They are definitely interesting specimens, but with little to no chlorophyll they normally cannot persist on their own. Even if they are left intact in a mat, I have never seen one make it to fruiting.
__________________
Growing bananas in Colorado, Washington, Hawaii since 2004. Commercial banana farmer, 200+ varieties.
Gabe15 is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Gabe15
Old 11-25-2016, 02:36 PM   #9 (permalink)
Commercial Grower
 
PR-Giants's Avatar
 
Location: Florida & Greater Antilles
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 4,544
BananaBucks : 3,569
Feedback: 16 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 2,900 Times
Was Thanked 12,461 Times in 3,620 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 3,204 Times
Default Re: Thoughts on the ID of this beauty?

Very cool...

Looks like the Namwa Phantom. I've grown thousands of variegated bananas, including the Phantom which lived on it's own for a little over a year. Their variegation is quite different than the pure white of the Manini. The nice thing is you never know what the next leaf will be and if you look closely some of the cream color will have noticeably more chlorophyll.

Good Luck


Quote:
Originally Posted by benbaron View Post
What you think guys? Any thoughts on the ID of this..

__________________



PR-Giants Photo Gallery



15,000+ Varieties

PR-Giants is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To PR-Giants
Said thanks:
Old 12-11-2016, 06:18 PM   #10 (permalink)
Commercial Grower
 
PR-Giants's Avatar
 
Location: Florida & Greater Antilles
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 4,544
BananaBucks : 3,569
Feedback: 16 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 2,900 Times
Was Thanked 12,461 Times in 3,620 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 3,204 Times
Default Re: Thoughts on the ID of this beauty?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabe15 View Post
It could be anything really, plants like that are often produced from strongly variegated cultivars like 'A'ea'e', but they are not viable once separated from the mat. Judging by the looks of it, it's a recently separated young sucker that was potted up, I wouldn't get too excited that it can survive for too long.They are definitely interesting specimens, but with little to no chlorophyll they normally cannot persist on their own. Even if they are left intact in a mat, I have never seen one make it to fruiting.
I've grown hundreds of these strongly variegated specimens and most of what you wrote is not correct. Although this post isn't as bad as your Santa Claus one, it's probably just based on a lack of actual growing experience. It's not possible to know when a specimen was separated from the mother plant and also there is no reason to believe these specimens are not capable of producing fruit. The fact that you have never seen it is really just anecdotal nonsense. These strongly variegated specimens behave similarly as other pups would while attached to the mother plant.

It's easy to see when the top plants were separated from the mother plant because the photos are dated. The bottom photo has no date but that strongly variegated specimen was separated from the mother plant about 4 to 5 months ago.


Quote:
Originally Posted by PR-Giants View Post



This is them today, Dec 6, 2016.

__________________



PR-Giants Photo Gallery



15,000+ Varieties

PR-Giants is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To PR-Giants
Old 12-12-2016, 08:33 AM   #11 (permalink)
CraigSS
 
CraigSS's Avatar
 
Location: Smith Mountain Lake; SW VA
Zone: 7
Name: CraigSS
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 238
BananaBucks : 15,751
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 365 Times
Was Thanked 323 Times in 146 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 172 Times
Smile Thoughts on the ID of this beauty?

IIP,
So tell us what you really think!
I am somewhat new to this; but I agree that identifying when it was cut from the mother plant is very difficult to say. And I have grown other types of plants and trees that came from under dense canopies that did not get good lighting. And let them acclimate from short light duration to full light over time and they did just fine.

Craig
__________________
Find me on the map!
CraigSS is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To CraigSS
Old 12-12-2016, 03:20 PM   #12 (permalink)
Moderator

 
Gabe15's Avatar
 
Location: Oahu, Hawaii
Zone: 12
Name: Gabe
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 3,892
BananaBucks : 13,338,229
Feedback: 5 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 1 Times
Was Thanked 8,237 Times in 2,200 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 8 Times
Default Re: Thoughts on the ID of this beauty?

Quote:
Originally Posted by PR-Giants View Post
I've grown hundreds of these strongly variegated specimens and most of what you wrote is not correct. Although this post isn't as bad as your Santa Claus one, it's probably just based on a lack of actual growing experience. It's not possible to know when a specimen was separated from the mother plant and also there is no reason to believe these specimens are not capable of producing fruit. The fact that you have never seen it is really just anecdotal nonsense. These strongly variegated specimens behave similarly as other pups would while attached to the mother plant.
In the spirit of sharing knowledge and experience, and not just putting others down, I'd truly enjoy seeing some evidence of what you're trying to refute me on.

So please, for all of our benefit and interest, if you can show us a pure or nearly pure-white banana plant that has grown to maturity on it's own (not a single shoot on a mat with normally green-variegated leaves), established a healthy mat and fruited normally, I think we would all love to see that.
__________________
Growing bananas in Colorado, Washington, Hawaii since 2004. Commercial banana farmer, 200+ varieties.
Gabe15 is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Gabe15
Old 12-14-2016, 10:20 AM   #13 (permalink)
 
Location: UK (up north)
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 43
BananaBucks : 21,977
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 8 Times
Was Thanked 51 Times in 25 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1 Times
Default Re: Thoughts on the ID of this beauty?

Bit of an update on this - exposure to the sun changes its colour significantly....
benbaron is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To benbaron
Said thanks:
Old 12-14-2016, 11:41 AM   #14 (permalink)
 
Location: UK (up north)
Join Date: Feb 2014
Posts: 43
BananaBucks : 21,977
Feedback: 0 / 0%
Said "Thanks" 8 Times
Was Thanked 51 Times in 25 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 1 Times
Default Re: Thoughts on the ID of this beauty?

So - additional thoughts? clearly not namwa pearl or phantom.
Ps this is from a supplier of mine that has found this in a new line of stock - its not a one off but in establishing the plant has exposed it to sunlight and its greened up....others of the same plants are the same yellowy white as above.

Anybody seen anything like this before?

I have variegated basjoo that does similar - loses it variegation with sun exposure, so Im thinking similar genetic? mutation as that but covering the entire leaf?
benbaron is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To benbaron
Said thanks:
Old 12-18-2016, 06:22 PM   #15 (permalink)
Commercial Grower
 
PR-Giants's Avatar
 
Location: Florida & Greater Antilles
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 4,544
BananaBucks : 3,569
Feedback: 16 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 2,900 Times
Was Thanked 12,461 Times in 3,620 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 3,204 Times
Default Re: Thoughts on the ID of this beauty?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Gabe15 View Post
In the spirit of sharing knowledge and experience, and not just putting others down, I'd truly enjoy seeing some evidence of what you're trying to refute me on.

So please, for all of our benefit and interest, if you can show us a pure or nearly pure-white banana plant that has grown to maturity on it's own (not a single shoot on a mat with normally green-variegated leaves), established a healthy mat and fruited normally, I think we would all love to see that.

Anybody is capable of making a bunch of mistakes in a post and nobody was putting you down. I often expect more out of folks then they expect from themselves and if it makes you feel better to interpret that as "putting others down"... go for it.

I have noticed your inability to either read or remember what was written is typical with your replies, so where exactly did you imagine reading something about "a pure or nearly pure-white banana plant that has grown to maturity on it's own, established a healthy mat and fruited normally".

In the spirit of sharing knowledge and experience, and not just filling valuable internet space, I think all of us here would love to see you explain that.

Now try to stay focused on what was actually written.
__________________



PR-Giants Photo Gallery



15,000+ Varieties

PR-Giants is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To PR-Giants
Old 12-18-2016, 06:25 PM   #16 (permalink)
Commercial Grower
 
PR-Giants's Avatar
 
Location: Florida & Greater Antilles
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 4,544
BananaBucks : 3,569
Feedback: 16 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 2,900 Times
Was Thanked 12,461 Times in 3,620 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 3,204 Times
Default Re: Thoughts on the ID of this beauty?

Yeah... that happens to the namwa phantom but the leaves only get slightly more greenish after extended sun exposure.


Quote:
Originally Posted by benbaron View Post
So - additional thoughts? clearly not namwa pearl or phantom.
Ps this is from a supplier of mine that has found this in a new line of stock - its not a one off but in establishing the plant has exposed it to sunlight and its greened up....others of the same plants are the same yellowy white as above.

Anybody seen anything like this before?

I have variegated basjoo that does similar - loses it variegation with sun exposure, so Im thinking similar genetic? mutation as that but covering the entire leaf?
__________________



PR-Giants Photo Gallery



15,000+ Varieties

PR-Giants is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To PR-Giants

Join Bananas.org Today!

Are you a banana plant enthusiast? Then we hope you will join the community. You will gain access to post, create threads, private message, upload images, join groups and more.

Bananas.org is owned and operated by fellow banana plant enthusiasts. We strive to offer a non-commercial community to learn and share information. Receive all three issues from Volume 1 of Bananas Magazine with your membership:
   

Join Bananas.org Today! - Click Here


Sponsors

Old 12-18-2016, 06:51 PM   #17 (permalink)
 
sputinc7's Avatar
 
Location: Palm Bay, Florida
Zone: 9b
Name: Steve
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 1,394
BananaBucks : 101,034
Feedback: 3 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 352 Times
Was Thanked 2,430 Times in 971 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 295 Times
Default Re: Thoughts on the ID of this beauty?

Quote:
Originally Posted by PR-Giants View Post
I've grown hundreds of these strongly variegated specimens ..... there is no reason to believe these specimens are not capable of producing fruit.
I can't speak for Gabe but from the quote above I would be led to believe you had mats of them all over. I was looking forward to seeing them fruiting... Were the bananas white as well?

Also, sometimes your posts do seem insulting and confrontational, especially for someone as credentialed as Gabe is. I am not saying Gabe cannot be wrong, but show other people a little respect. We are not all out to hurt you, we just want to partake in your banana wisdom and share what we have observed. This board needs to be a fun place where people can share ideas. Don't expect so much out of other people as we are all prone to making mistakes, even you. Work on that, please.
We all enjoy your input and especially your wonderful pictures but we don't need the confrontation and drama. We are here to have fun, light conversation about bananas and find help with our banana problems. Let's all just stick to that.
__________________
If you lose your head and give up, you neither live nor win.




https://sputinc7.wixsite.com/covwc

Varieties I supposedly bought: Manzano, Cavendish, Blue Java, Sweetheart, and Gros Michel.
What it seems I actually have: Brazilian, Cavendish, Namwah, Dwarf Red, Gros Michel, Pisang Ceylon, Veinte Cohol and SH 3640, and American Goldfinger. FHIA 1, Paggi and FHIA 17... Always room for one more.
sputinc7 is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To sputinc7
Said thanks:
Old 11-22-2017, 07:40 PM   #18 (permalink)
Commercial Grower
 
PR-Giants's Avatar
 
Location: Florida & Greater Antilles
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 4,544
BananaBucks : 3,569
Feedback: 16 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 2,900 Times
Was Thanked 12,461 Times in 3,620 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 3,204 Times
Default Re: Thoughts on the ID of this beauty?

Quote:
Originally Posted by sputinc7 View Post

I was looking forward to seeing them fruiting... Were the bananas white as well?
What color were the fruit going to be, but more importantly what color were the bracts going to be? Those questions were the impetus behind doing the work necessary to find the answers, more accurately said it's trading a perfectly good bunch of fruit for an inferior bunch.

If you are truly interested maybe you will also do the work necessary to get your answers.

I have plenty of plants to choose from so picking the best plants to use was easy. The only thing I had to do was remove the inflorescence of a perfectly good mother plant immediately after flowering and let nature do it's thing. Unfortunately the first one flowered on August 21 and nature did it's thing on September 20. The next one flowered on October 18 exactly 4 weeks after nature did it's thing and now I'm waiting to find out if sister support is enough to fill the fruit.

Banana plants are easy to manipulate, you just need to know what you are trying to accomplish.
__________________



PR-Giants Photo Gallery



15,000+ Varieties

PR-Giants is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To PR-Giants
Old 11-24-2017, 02:03 AM   #19 (permalink)
Banana Plants for Trade
 
Tytaylor77's Avatar
 
Location: East Texas
Zone: 8b
Name: Ty
Join Date: Jun 2015
Posts: 1,367
BananaBucks : 47,396
Feedback: 11 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 4,612 Times
Was Thanked 3,726 Times in 1,185 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 424 Times
Default Re: Thoughts on the ID of this beauty?

Woohooo Sounds like Keith will be selling short cycle whities next year! I’m excited? Sounds like an all white from pup to flower is 4 weeks!! Please keep us updated on the fill time. Amazing!!

I haven’t seen any reports or pics of the Musa Florida bunches from the thousands of Florida pups sold this spring? Could anyone PLEASE post your results of this short cycle plant? It was exactly 4 weeks from pup to flower also wasn’t it? Seems like 4 weeks is a good number. Sadly all 5 of my Floridas still haven’t bloomed. Slow growth from them in my area. Could be something I’m doing wrong. I Just harvested 2 pickup loads of other varieties! “See link below for pictures” Most were spring pups like the floridas. Really surprised me! So please post your Musa Florida bunches! I honestly want to know if it’s just me!!

Thank you Gabe for the excellent information on solid white pups! Which from my experience i agree with 100%. I cull all my whities. All greens from variegated musas is where it’s at! My all green Musa Florida is growing great! And Finally after 2 years+ i have an all green AEAE pup!! Very excited about it!

It seems some people in this world just love conflict. Instead of being kind to others they choose to bully and attack them. Instead of being jealous of others knowledge or understanding, or whatever it is, we should be thankful they are here and choose to help us learn!!
__________________
150+ Varieties!!. See profile for list. Help me add more!
Tytaylor77 is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Tytaylor77
Said thanks:
Old 11-24-2017, 08:21 AM   #20 (permalink)
 
Hamakua's Avatar
 
Location: Santa Cruz, CA
Join Date: Apr 2015
Posts: 181
BananaBucks : 23,311
Feedback: 3 / 100%
Said "Thanks" 187 Times
Was Thanked 324 Times in 108 Posts
Said "Welcome to Bananas" 18 Times
Default Re: Thoughts on the ID of this beauty?

Hi Ty, I'll have a Tuu Gia ready for you soon
__________________
Currently Growing:
Blue Java, FHIA 01, Gros Michelle, Dwarf Orinoco, Maoli Ele Ele, Maoli Manini, Maoli Dwarf Kaualau, Putalinga Kula, Iholena Lele, Iholena Ula Ula, Iholena Iholena, Iholena Kapua, Unknown purple leafed Iholena, Tuu Ghia, Tagomor, Luba, Kokor, Vunumami, Hapai
Hamakua is offline   Reply With Quote Send A Private Message To Hamakua
Said thanks:
Sponsors

Reply   Email this Page Email this Page






Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Anyone Growing IC 2 or Golden Beauty PR-Giants Main Banana Discussion 10 12-24-2013 03:56 PM
Looking for Golden Beauty DoctorSteve Banana Plants Wanted 0 10-14-2010 08:45 AM
The beauty of bamboo Bamboo Conne'iseur Other Plants 82 07-18-2010 12:13 PM
New Black Beauty? Pitchup Main Banana Discussion 4 04-02-2010 06:28 PM
Bordelon Beauty!! CValentine Main Banana Discussion 12 11-20-2009 12:03 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:15 AM.





All content © Bananas.org & the respective author.