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Old 05-25-2016, 11:20 PM   #21 (permalink)
 
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The well-designed hierarchical structure of Musa basjoo for supercapacitors
The well-designed hierarchical structure of Musa basjoo for supercapacitors

. Evidence for the involvement of Globosa-like gene duplications and expression divergence in the evolution of floral morphology in the Zingiberales.
Evidence for the involvement of Globosa-like gene duplications and expression divergence in the evolution of floral morphology in the Zingiberales. - PubMed - NCBI

[Active compounds from rhizomes of Musa basjoo].
[Active compounds from rhizomes of Musa basjoo]. - PubMed - NCBI

Evidence for the involvement of Globosa-like gene duplications and expression divergence in the evolution of floral morphology in the Zingiberales.
Evidence for the involvement of Globosa-like gene duplications and expression divergence in the evolution of floral morphology in the Zingiberales. - PubMed - NCBI


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Introduction to Cold-Hardy Tropicals for Virginia Landscapes
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Banana Lectin: A Brief Review
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Osmotin from Calotropis procera latex: New insights into structure and antifungal properties
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See #20 The well-designed hierarchical structure of Musa basjoo for supercapacitors
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Without the correct identification which requires a bloom/ flower on the banana plant your buying from. You need to see the flower/bloom and know what plants you are buying.

If you can not do that, you risk falling victim to the Musa Bassjo Craze. Sellers sell you whatever for more money cashing in the premium price Musa Basjoo brings.

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They are all still M. basjoo
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They are all still M. basjoo
No way to know if they are Musa Basjoo without seeing the bloom / flower

the musa basjoo foliage, there are some subtle differences in petioles, leaf color, etc. but those can be difficult to confirm. The foliage also tends to be a little lighter green than most other bananas, but so many variables (light exposure, nutrition, etc.) can impact the reliability of that.

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No way to know if they are Musa Basjoo without seeing the bloom / flower

the musa basjoo foliage, there are some subtle differences in petioles, leaf color, etc. but those can be difficult to confirm. The foliage also tends to be a little lighter green than most other bananas, but so many variables (light exposure, nutrition, etc.) can impact the reliability of that.

You can find answers to questions you may have about banana plants or agriculture from experts. https://ask.extension.org/ask
This is not true. Musa basjoo is very easy to ID before flowering. The distinct large wavy winged petiole is a rather unique trait among all bananas, others have it too, but none are as common as M. basjoo, especially in the US. In addition, other bananas with similar distinct winged petioles have other drastically different traits too, none of which appear on your plants, that is aside from the fact it would be nearly impossible to accidentally receive those rare and unusual bananas compared to M. basjoo which is extremely common.

You can ask general plant or agriculture experts that likely do not know much or anything about bananas, or you can ask and believe the experts here.
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Go easy on him, sir... He doesn't know your fine qualities of banana identification.
I can vouch for Gabe seeing right away that my "Manzano" was not a Manzano, but he said it is Brazilian, which when I searched characteristics for that variety, seems to match. I have a pup flowering again now, and am posting pics on the "what's blooming" thread. In a week or so, I hope you check again for a double sure. (It is definitely not Manzano as I know what they taste like)
That said, I am curious of how you became the resident banana expert here.. College or just lots of experience or just lurking here for over a decade?
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Varieties I supposedly bought: Manzano, Cavendish, Blue Java, Sweetheart, and Gros Michel.
What it seems I actually have: Brazilian, Cavendish, Namwah, Dwarf Red, Gros Michel, Pisang Ceylon, Veinte Cohol and SH 3640, and American Goldfinger. FHIA 1, Paggi and FHIA 17... Always room for one more.
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This is not true. Musa basjoo is very easy to ID before flowering. The distinct large wavy winged petiole is a rather unique trait among all bananas, others have it too, but none are as common as M. basjoo, especially in the US. In addition, other bananas with similar distinct winged petioles have other drastically different traits too, none of which appear on your plants, that is aside from the fact it would be nearly impossible to accidentally receive those rare and unusual bananas compared to M. basjoo which is extremely common.

You can ask general plant or agriculture experts that likely do not know much or anything about bananas, or you can ask and believe the experts here.
Will take your comments in to strong consideration. But until government officials confirm the identify of the plants as Musa Basjoo I can not be satisfied. Because if anyone knows about bananas it's the government. I'm trying to go bananas in a organized fashion and that requires official confirmation. :
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I will post more pictures of the plants as they grow more foliage and post them here but government officials have said the only reliable way to identify banana species is by examining the inflorescence (bloom)
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Dude, I don't know what govt workers you are relying on, but unless they are planning on doing dna testing on your bananas, I would listen to Gabe. To be certain you receive what you order, on here is where you should buy plants. See my signature to see what I mean. I have bought several bananas from "reputable" suppliers, and most were wrong.
Gabe took one look at my avatar and told me it's not a Manzano(Which is what I ordered) but a Brazilian. To be honest, I wasn't sure I believed him, either, being new here but when ripe, I ate one... Brazilian is what they tasted like. I don't know where he learned to id bananas, but I think he's pretty good at it.
Maybe he is like me, once I watch a plant grow, I can tell them apart by even the most subtle of characteristics. That is why I find it frustrating when I get the wrong plants. I need to know what I have.
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Dude, I don't know what govt workers you are relying on, but unless they are planning on doing dna testing on your bananas, I would listen to Gabe. To be certain you receive what you order, on here is where you should buy plants. See my signature to see what I mean. I have bought several bananas from "reputable" suppliers, and most were wrong.
Gabe took one look at my avatar and told me it's not a Manzano(Which is what I ordered) but a Brazilian. To be honest, I wasn't sure I believed him, either, being new here but when ripe, I ate one... Brazilian is what they tasted like. I don't know where he learned to id bananas, but I think he's pretty good at it.
Maybe he is like me, once I watch a plant grow, I can tell them apart by even the most subtle of characteristics. That is why I find it frustrating when I get the wrong plants. I need to know what I have.
I will have to get permission before I post the name of the person I have been in contact with but I can say that he contacted banana experts around the country to see if it is possible to identify the variety from the specimens I provided. They were not.

"confirmed that the only reliable way to identify banana species is by examining the inflorescence (bloom). In terms of the musa basjoo foliage, there are some subtle differences in petioles, leaf color, etc. but those can be difficult to confirm. The foliage also tends to be a little lighter green than most other bananas, but so many variables (light exposure, nutrition, etc.) can impact the reliability of that measure.
The bloom of the musa basjoo is distinctive because it is one of just a handful of bananas that have yellow bracts. There is sometimes some purple stripping on the outside of the bracts but the underside is almost always a nice light yellow.
So, it sounds like you will have to wait for flowering before you can accurately identify what banana species you have purchased. This can take a year to occur." - undisclosed government official on bananas. Will post the name if I get permission to do so.

Now that being said I have got banana plants from 3 different sellers and they are growing leaves some that look different than others. When they get some new growth I will take pictures and post them. The left chair bananas look much different than the right chair bananas.

These are the chair bananas


The chair bananas have some rot issues and lost lots the leaves that were in the original photos. Those photos were the day I go them. I removed the rot carefully by cutting it off the plant. They did not take the shipping experience very well. They do not look as good as in the pictures but hopefully they get better. I am thinking they need a shade from the sun some. The chair banana stem seems to have a somewhat of a oval type shape that may not the same as the right chair bananas. Will be observing this as time goes on to see if they are different or not. The right chair bananas have a different color redish hue the chair bananas do not at the base and this is visible in the photos. / Will be observing this. The pictures of the flower indicate the chair bananas may be from a Musa Basjoo assuming the image of the flower came from these bananas. I have yet to get the flower in that photo confirmed as Musa Basjoo and will post it if that is allowed for me to do- I will find out. Chair bananas was a Ebay purchase so who knows what I really have for sure with the Musa Basjoo Craze but it is likely they are genuine.

and these are the left and right chair bananas from the original picture in the thread.

The left chair bananas look much different than the chair and right chair bananas. So far not able to confirm or get any confirmation from the seller with
pictures of the flower that the right chair bananas are Musa Basjoo but working to get that. No conformation of the left chair bananas either.

The bananas are growing new leaves. When those leaves come all the way out then I will post new pictures and we can evaluate those. Like to have some full leaves that are not cut or damaged from shipping or damaged in any way. May take 2 weeks to get some good pictures. Some of them are growing better than others. Will have to wait and see.

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That said, I am curious of how you became the resident banana expert here.. College or just lots of experience or just lurking here for over a decade?
Well, not trying to brag or anything, but I do consider myself an expert as I am a member of the Musa Taxonomic Advisory Group. We do a number of different things, including verifying ID correctness for the global Musa genebank held in Belgium and providing guidance to the global banana research community on matters having to do with taxonomy, classification and identification.

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Will take your comments in to strong consideration. But until government officials confirm the identify of the plants as Musa Basjoo I can not be satisfied. Because if anyone knows about bananas it's the government. I'm trying to go bananas in a organized fashion and that requires official confirmation. :
I can still be wrong, and there is always more to learn, but I can confidently say you won't be finding any more accurate or revealing answers about this subject than I can provide. Internet through my computer is temporarily down,
I'm only able to use my phone, and so I'm not able to show any example photos of how to easily ID M. basjoo right now, but perhaps when that's back up and running I'll find some time to share some.
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(Darth Vader's voice) Impressive, most impressive.
Good to know. You guys wouldn't happen to have an archive with photos of both young and flowering musa complete with differentiating characteristics pointed out for each variety would you?
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Gabe, if you have time and can, any ideas on what this might be? I don't see many with the purple Pstem, so I am hoping you have a clue... Thanks.

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