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Richard 08-11-2017 03:42 PM

Tales of SH-3640's
 
Some time ago in a place not too far away ... Greenie began growing this SH 3640.

SH-3640 9/15/07


I'm not sure how he obtained it -- perhaps from NANAMAN, or visa-versa, or ...?

Anyway, with no surprise pup(s) of this plant eventually found their way to bananimal and then (through servatusprime) to crazy banana. And I -- having wanted this plant (Greenie's) for nearly a decade was thrilled to obtain one from her last year.

In the meantime PR-Giants began distributing SH-3640 'High Noon' a few years ago. I presume he obtained this cultivar from TARS Mayaguez. I believe this is the plant being grown by HMelendez, TyTaylor, and possibly several others.

It has been pointed out elsewhere that these two plants have nearly identical growth habit and appearance but the inflorescences do not match. What I have observed about the plant I'm growing:
- Cavendish-like structure with petioles following one right after another
- Red edges along petioles but green midribs
- Broad leaves
So that leads me to believe its genetics contain two 'AA's followed by a 'B' and 'A' in unknown order. But I have yet to see an inflorescence and probably won't until next year. Time will tell. :)




Tytaylor77 08-12-2017 01:51 AM

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Looks great Richard! Mine is the USDA Tars Mayaguez! It is the same as Hectors!

I see some differences already! Mine has a lot of black on the pstem. Thank you for the pictures! I'm excited to contimue comparing mine to your pictures in the future!

Anyone know where Grennie obtained it from?

Mine is about 7'. Still hasn't pupped. Next year I hope to fruit mine. Richard when I get good sized pups next year your welcome to have a free one to compare if you have room! Just PM me.

I find mine looks very similar to the USDA Tars FHIA-01 Goldfinger only it has a more slim pstem. I'm sure it's the dwarf Brazilian parent plant showing in both!

Keep us updated! I will be following this for sure!!

Richard 08-12-2017 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Tytaylor77 (Post 308372)
Looks great Richard! Mine is the USDA Tars Mayaguez! It is the same as Hectors!

Thanks for the validation :)

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Originally Posted by Tytaylor77 (Post 308372)
I see some differences already! Mine has a lot of black on the pstem.

That could be due to our differences in humidity ... or not!

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Originally Posted by Tytaylor77 (Post 308372)
Thank you for the pictures! I'm excited to continue comparing mine to your pictures in the future!

:woohoonaner:

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Originally Posted by Tytaylor77 (Post 308372)
Anyone know where Greenie obtained it from?

Greenie and NANAMAN are both still active here ... check it out on their profile pages.

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Originally Posted by Tytaylor77 (Post 308372)
Mine is about 7'. Still hasn't pupped. Next year I hope to fruit mine. Richard when I get good sized pups next year your welcome to have a free one to compare if you have room! Just PM me.

7' going into Fall. This is good, perhaps it will bloom in March or April.

Thanks so much for the offer of a pup ... I'm estatic :nanadrink:

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Originally Posted by Tytaylor77 (Post 308372)
I find mine looks very similar to the USDA Tars FHIA-01 Goldfinger only it has a more slim pstem. I'm sure it's the dwarf Brazilian parent plant showing in both!

Yes, they are both AAAB but arrived at in different breeding sequences. There are of course other AAAB tetraploids that are wholly different, incl. FHIA-18, and FHIA-21.
:nanarobot:

HMelendez 08-12-2017 05:02 AM

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Richard,




As you and Ty mentioned, my SH-3640 High Noon 'Nana is also, the USDA TARS Mayaguez!.....Right now, I got three SH-3640 High Noon 'Nanas blooming!.....All three SH-3640's are approx. 10 ft. tall at flowering/blooming!.....SH-3640 is a very stout, strong and robust 'Nana plant!..... You can check the thread http://www.bananas.org/f2/fhia-21-pl...ana-47226.html.....

sputinc7 08-12-2017 07:14 AM

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Just as I suspected some time ago... Two different 3640's, and some love it and some hate it...that's why.
Mine is very much like GM or Cav... wide open petioles with lots of red on the fringes.. Basically a stouter GM with wider leaves.
Ty, when mine pupped, it did it around 6 feet, and dropped 3 all of a sudden at one time. One day, nothing... the next day, 3. BAM!
I hope yours pups soon... Winter's on it's way.

Richard 08-12-2017 01:49 PM

Re: Tales of SH-3640's
 
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Originally Posted by sputinc7 (Post 308377)
... wide open petioles with lots of red on the fringes ...

By "fringes" -- do you mean petiole edges, or blade edges, or ?

Info:Plant Morphology - Bananas Wiki

Richard 08-12-2017 02:23 PM

Re: Tales of SH-3640's
 
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Originally Posted by sputinc7 (Post 308377)
... Two different 3640's ...

Actually there may be more. Further, I'm not sold on the idea there is only one "true" SH-3640. For example, consider all the variation among Pisang Awak. My personal interest is how this famous plant from Greenie tastes!
:woohoonaner:

sputinc7 08-12-2017 04:43 PM

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I was speaking of the petioles when I mentioned fringes, so it's the fringes of the petioles. Definition of fringe:

fringe
frinj
noun
1.
an ornamental border of threads left loose or formed into tassels or twists, used to edge clothing or material.
synonyms: edging, edge, border, trimming, frill, flounce, ruffle;

So, fringes, edges, borders, frills, edging... whatever synonym you choose to use, they are red.
Here are some pics of the 3640 I have...
I got this one from Wormfarmer last year about this time. I don't know where he got his from. It's a strong grower and not afraid of the cold. I have not seen a flower yet, but am hoping soon. The first pic is the plant from a few feet away...



The next one is a little closer so you can see the colors on the petioles better. The leaf edges have a color, but not red like the GM.



Compare those to the petioles of my GM, which I got from SDDarkman as a TC a year and 3 months ago (Very similar)...



One more, of the pups. They are now only about 2 months old (6/15 ) Note the minor coloring on the leaf, wine stains...



As for how many there are, it's anybody's guess... I know I have heard some talk about 3640 and think it's great, and others say it's awful. I find it difficult that opinions could be so polarized among so many if they were all the same. Also, the descriptions of color and flavor seem to vary somewhat, thus I concluded they cannot all be speaking of the same banana...My personal interest mirrors yours, Richard... If I like it, I really don't care what it is, officially, other than to be able to speak of it here and to have others know definitively of what I speak. It's difficult to have an intelligent discussion about something when you both believe you speak of one thing when,in reality, it is two different things.

Richard 08-12-2017 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by sputinc7 (Post 308391)
... Here are some pics of the 3640 I have ...

Thanks for the great photos! :08:

From Worm_Farmer you say -- another long time member. I would guess he obtained it from bananimal etc.

I also have the GM from sddarkman619. It definately has the red "fringes", but the early leaves have wine markings whereas the SH-3640 did not.

sputinc7 08-12-2017 09:05 PM

Re: Tales of SH-3640's
 
My GM has only recently pupped, as in just a few days ago (8/6) , so I do not know of wine stains on it's pups yet, but they are obvious on the 3640 I got from Worm Farmer last year. (I went to his house here in Palm bay. He gave me some Namwah, which confirmed to me that I do not like them)... The GM TC I got definitely had wine stains on it.
So long as my bananas taste good, I am not going to be too upset. But the GM better taste like GM because I know what they taste like and I want them to be the real deal. (unless Nick has the wrong thing, which I doubt). I know some poo poo GM, but they are an outstanding banana in my book. Every one is like the best banana you ever had, that tastes like a banana, of course. Like the most perfect Cavendish, every time.
Anyone with extra bananas within an hour or so of Palm Bay, Fl. let me know... I always am looking for new ones to try, or beloved ones to have again.

meizzwang 08-15-2017 05:10 PM

Re: Tales of SH-3640's
 
Looking forward to watching this thread and contributing in the years to come. I also have an SH-3640, just put it in the ground. Very excited to see how it performs in our cool, Northern California climate:

Richard 11-02-2017 07:27 PM

Re: Tales of SH-3640's
 
Bud emerging ...


HMelendez 11-07-2017 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard (Post 310743)
Bud emerging ...




Congrats Richard!.....

HMelendez 11-07-2017 10:54 AM

Re: Tales of SH-3640's
 
SH-3640 High Noon Update!....



First picture was taken on September 14, 2017, a couple of days later, after very bad girl Hurricane Irma passed!....I lost all three blooming SH-3640 High Noon 'Nana bunches!.....






Second picture was taken last Saturday, November 4, 2017....SH-3640 pups took off growing!....Six SH-3640 soldier pups growing in a circle formation!....LOL.....Most of them are approx. 8 ft. tall and growing!....They should be flowering/blooming soon!....





It is incredible, amazing!.....All 'Nanas (mats) recovered like nothing happened to them!....I might have some 'Nanas flowering/blooming before the end of the year!....'Nanas are strong, tough plants!....



I'm baaaaack (walkinbeam)!.....LOL....



I will keep updating soon!.....:2723::bananarow::2723:

beam2050 11-07-2017 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by HMelendez (Post 310833)

I'm baaaaack (walkinbeam)!.....LOL....



I will keep updating soon!.....:2723::bananarow::2723:

OH NO!

SHOW OFF :birthdaynana:

HMelendez 11-07-2017 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by beam2050 (Post 310836)
OH NO!

SHOW OFF :birthdaynana:



LMAO!.....

sputinc7 11-07-2017 12:56 PM

Re: Tales of SH-3640's
 
Lookit what I got on my 3640 today...



Between nematodes and hurricanes I have only had one bunch in 2 years make it to completion... This one will probably freeze...

beam2050 11-07-2017 02:28 PM

Re: Tales of SH-3640's
 
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Originally Posted by sputinc7 (Post 310840)
Lookit what I got on my 3640 today...

Between nematodes and hurricanes I have only had one bunch in 2 years make it to completion... This one will probably freeze...

:lurk: hope not. we will be waiting. may the banana gods smile on you.

Richard 11-07-2017 03:35 PM

Re: Tales of SH-3640's
 
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Originally Posted by sputinc7 (Post 310840)
nematodes

Nematodes hate sulfur ... and acidic soil in general. If you haven't already, consider mixing some "soil sulfur" into the mulch of your planter.

There are several brands ... here's one:


sputinc7 11-07-2017 09:56 PM

Re: Tales of SH-3640's
 
Are you sure? I have done a lot of research on controlling or killing nematodes lately and have not read anything about sulfur or acidity... I sure want that to be true... Sounds too easy to be true. Everything I read basically said to destroy all your plants and wait a year... I am in no way saying you are wrong, just want to know how you know and how acidic it needs to be, as my soil is VERY alkaline, like in the range of 8... Florida sugar sand. I thank you very much for the help.


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