meizzwang

Sorry to hear that bunch didn't make it, was really looking forward to a full report on the mature fruit. Got maybe a year to go before I can give any reports on my plant, provided it doesn't get nipped by the cold next winter!

Richard

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I don't know if this variety is right for the California climate. It took years for my to finally fruit and it has only made a little bunch that is hanging now. Seems to be filling OK and barring any unforeseen problems, I should finally be able to taste this variety, after growing it for years. In defense of this variety, I haven't treated it very well or had it in a very good spot

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Latest bud on my pseudo-SH-3640. Anyone care to ID?

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My SH-3640 finally ripened a bunch after 6 years in the ground (this is the original p-stem, too). Slowest ever to flower in my yard. It wasn't in a great spot, but it wasn't that bad a spot. In a couple of days, the fingers ought to be ripe enough to finally try one.

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Isn't that just a Brazilian tall?

Richard

Well ... no, the pstem height is 6.5' ... about the same height it bloomed last year.

It is the correct height to be a Dwarf Brazilian but I've no idea if the markings or flower colors match that hybrid.

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Botanical_Bryce

If it stunted like your pisang ceylon the pstem height makes total sense. Either way it looks like something from the pome complex.

meizzwang

That's just absolutely ridiculous! I guess we have to add maybe a year or two up here in Northern California!

Any pics of your plant and the bunch? Very curious to see how it looks.

Richard

Thanks, that's good info.

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Richard

Ok, so the Pome complex are AAB hybrids. After some reading on We-Be-Bananas, I'm thinking that the Silk subgroup (AAB hybrids) are another possibility.

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Nicolas Naranja

My SH-3640 came from Bananimal as well. I had it in a row with FHIA-1, FHIA-18, and Dwarf Brazillian so that you could see the differences between them. My fruit looked beautiful, but did not taste good. Maybe it was in a bad spot, so I am trying again from a different source. One thing to keep in mind before getting all bent into and out of shape is that bananas are not as stable as you might imagine, they spontaneously mutate. That's why there are so many accessions of Cavendish. TARS tissues cultures as well, and just because you got your plant from TARS doesn't mean it's going to match the catalogue description. Also, remember the descriptions are made under well fertilized, irrigated conditions at about 18 degrees latitude. The defining feature of SH-3640 to me was the long peduncle, which is also evident from the pictures at TARS. This isn't the case of selling Nam Wah as Ice Cream.

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Thanks Nicholas, great answer.

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Richard!.....



Woohooo!.....My SH-3640 High Noon Nana Gazebo it's flowering again!....My Nana Gazebo consists of 7 (seven) SH-3640 High Noon adult plants!......This is the third SH-3640 flowering/blooming in the same mat!....All of my SH-3640 have been approx. 9 3/4 to 10 ft. at flowering/blooming consistently!.....



Pictures from 10/16/2018....









FHIA-21 Plantain & SH-3640 'Nana Flowering!

Identification and characterization guide for FHIA banana and plantain hybrids




You should receive/get the True To Type/Real SH-3640 High Noon pup soon!....Hopefully it grows very good for you!....It will be very interesting to do a comparison with the one that it's currently flowering/blooming!.....SH-3640 High Noon it is one of my best growers!......A monster grower!.....

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One thing about 3640 is how it tends to grow quickly to a point then seems to begin a dwarf growing pattern in the last few months before flowering. Also the PS is like a tree trunk...
Richard, the one defining characteristic of a D Brazilian to me is the very messy rachis, everything stays attached all the way down. It's a very defining characteristic, as the tall Brazilian has a completely clean one.

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Varieties I supposedly bought: Manzano, Cavendish, Blue Java, Sweetheart, and Gros Michel.
What it seems I actually have: Brazilian, Cavendish, Namwah, Dwarf Red, Gros Michel, Pisang Ceylon, Veinte Cohol and SH 3640, and American Goldfinger. FHIA 1, Paggi and FHIA 17... Always room for one more.

venturabananas

As I understand it, Richard, Nick, and I got our SH-3640's from the same source (Banaminal). I think it is correctly identified, but wouldn't bet my life on it. It is definitely NOT Dwarf Brazilian. I have those all over my yard, and the messy rachis that Steve mentions is always present on them. It is not present on the SH-3640, which was mostly, but not entirely clean. I think this variety just needs hot, humid conditions to be happy, and grow to its full potential. We don't have that in California, but you Florida folks do.

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I also have the Tars/Hectors clone. This was my 1st year and currently mine is about 9’ and looks exactly like the Tars clone in the pictures. The tropical ones may have a bit more black. 3640 I would say blew away all my goldfinger clones in growth. I have also tasted it twice and it is amazing! My top 5 best tasting. Very similar to other pome/goldfinger taste!

I’m adding my most recent picture of my sh-3640 to my Flickr.

Richard I’m excited you have it now. I have no doubts it will become a favorite for you and I’m excited to see updates! The other 3640 clone could be an off-type. Remember another hybrid with very similar parents (fhia01 goldfinger) and how many off-types we see of it.

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Botanical Bryce; I received a nice sucker from him not too long ago. She's around 4.5 feet and pushing a flag leaf right now. A bit unexpected, but that first fruiting always comes on shorter p stems.

Did you get your original plant off a member here Bryce?

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Not at my house. First fruitings are often shorter on mine by maybe a foot or so but never that much. Every single SH 3640 sucker I planted has consistently fruited at the 8 to 10 range and the plants there after exactly 10 foot every time. Rarely do I get premature fruiting. Raja Puri and cavendish are probably the only ones that premature fruit in my garden. I also only use heavy corms never water suckers or too young swords. My SH 3640s came from a grower in Apopka and Josh Jamison from Heart Village. Originally verified on here and then several people after including Don from Going Bananas who tasted the banana and said it was an SH 3640. Using the scientific method I made no mention they were supposed to be SH 3640. Short fruitings suggest an issue in the husbandry since all I do is put them in a planting hole and leave them. Only surface cover is oak leaves and only in extreme cases do I fertilize.

Richard

Great info, thanks.

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