Is this still a Zebrina? Any and all thoughts

cactus6103 · 09-29-2007, 10:07 AM

A while back I submitted some pics of this plant to have you help to identify it and it was thought to be a Zebrina by some. Now that it is starting to flower, do you still think it is a Zebrina? Any thoughts and help will be greatly appreciated. I am also very excited to have this happen. I am new to banana growing, I only started last year and purchased this plant this spring. Thank you. Red

cactus6103 · 10-03-2007, 03:12 PM

No thoughts if this is a zebrina or something else? I guess that I go with it being a zebrina and treat it as such. I will over winter one plant with protection and see what happens. Red

Gabe15 · 10-03-2007, 03:26 PM

That is not a zebrina, it is a hybrid of a ornamental Rhodochlamys type ("ornata") and zebrina, much like 'Bordelon' is.

tlturbo · 10-03-2007, 03:35 PM

My Zebrina does not have upright fruit. It has a bud that hangs over like edible bananas and they are a deep red like a Jamaican Red. I agree that that is some kind of ornamental but since I don't do ornamentals, I have no idea as to it's ID. Leave that to the experts.

Gabe15 · 10-03-2007, 03:53 PM

There are endless amounts of these hybrid ornamental bananas, most without names, and even when they have names its usually just whatever the nursery that is selling it wants to call it. There are only a few such hybrids that have any sort of consistant name such as 'Bordelon', 'Royal Purple' and 'African Red', you can usually be sure that when you buy a plant under those names its going to be the same (or very similar) to other ones under that name. But for the most part, the names are generally useless in my opinion, rarely is the exact parentage of the hybrid known (so you can't name it with latin binomials, plus many are beyond F1), and the variety names are just things made up by nursery people anyways.

The most percise ID you can give to something like this (without getting a DNA analysis) is that it is some sort of a hybrid of an acuminata subsp. and a Rhodochlamys plant. I'm sure if you look hard enough you could find a name someone once gave it, but for that matter you could also just name it yourself if you really wanted to.

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Gabe15 Moderator Gabe15's Photo Gallery Location: Oahu, Hawaii Find me on the map! Zone: 12 Name: Gabe Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 3,892 BananaBucks : 13,373,661 Feedback: 5 / 100% Said "Thanks" 1 Times Was Thanked 8,243 Times in 2,200 Posts Said "Welcome to Bananas" 8 Times	Re: Is this still a Zebrina? Any and all thoughts There are endless amounts of these hybrid ornamental bananas, most without names, and even when they have names its usually just whatever the nursery that is selling it wants to call it. There are only a few such hybrids that have any sort of consistant name such as 'Bordelon', 'Royal Purple' and 'African Red', you can usually be sure that when you buy a plant under those names its going to be the same (or very similar) to other ones under that name. But for the most part, the names are generally useless in my opinion, rarely is the exact parentage of the hybrid known (so you can't name it with latin binomials, plus many are beyond F1), and the variety names are just things made up by nursery people anyways. The most percise ID you can give to something like this (without getting a DNA analysis) is that it is some sort of a hybrid of an acuminata subsp. and a Rhodochlamys plant. I'm sure if you look hard enough you could find a name someone once gave it, but for that matter you could also just name it yourself if you really wanted to. __________________ Growing bananas in Colorado, Washington, Hawaii since 2004. Commercial banana farmer, 200+ varieties.

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