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Kalabrian 07-09-2009 05:09 PM

Orinoco or Basjoo?
 
Dear friends

in the course of time I got several plants from people who grew them around me. These plants where grown on the coast or valley or foothills and thus the mother plants of course bore fruit. Because of this when I got the pups I was sure they were edible bananas, namely plants of our local Musa variety.

However, on two occasions I received a plant from people growing them in towns at very high altitude on the mountain (not excessive min temps though). In this case the mother plants did not bear fruit, but I assumed it was because the locations were not warm enough, and not because the plants were a non-edible variety. In fact in my area is quite difficult to find banana plants which are not our local edible variety. In any case, I planted these two pups also, which I received from 2 different persons, but both in high mountain locations.

Now these plants are growing, the doubt is arising that they could not be edible types. Indeed at least one of them seems very much a basjoo (2nd plant). Please consider that our local variety is almost identical to the Orinoco, so in helping me identifying these plants you basically have to choose if they seem more a basjoo or a orinoco. Thanks in advance

This is the one which seems less a basjoo
Banano a Gennaio!

This is the one which seems more a basjoo:
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D_&_T 07-09-2009 10:01 PM

Re: Orinoco or Basjoo?
 
Keep us up to date and post photo of flower when blooms, would help.

island cassie 07-09-2009 11:27 PM

Re: Orinoco or Basjoo?
 
Kalabrian - I don't have a Basjoo to compare it to, but my Orinocos have no black at all on the pstem. Hope this helps.

Gabe15 07-09-2009 11:57 PM

Re: Orinoco or Basjoo?
 
I don't think either look like basjoo or Orinoco. I agree that the second one is much more basjoo-like, but it still doesn't look right to me, I could be wrong though. It is always possible that they are something else.

Kalabrian 07-10-2009 02:25 AM

Re: Orinoco or Basjoo?
 
Thanks to all. It is a good news to me if they are not basjoos, for I can hope they are edible types. Notwithstanding I would lovely care for them also if they are basjoo...:0517:

In any case, I want to point out a pair of things which yesterday I forgot to mention:

1) the photos were taken some time ago. The first plant, photo taken in full winter as you can see from the surrounding trees. The second plant, photo taken in late autumn. I made this clear to explain the apparent poor health of both plants. However, it seems to me they have that black parts on the p-stem also in summer.

2) if they are not basjoo is very interesting because these plants as I said were brought from the mountain, from a place which experiences every year several frosts and at least once or twice year temp can drop to -7 or -8. These plants were in open air with no protection. Should they be edible, I could be the finder of a new Tx Star, the Mountain Calabria Star :ha:I am jokin though.

In any case, later I will try to post photos of my plants of the local edible variety, if this helps in the identification.

Jack Daw 07-10-2009 03:48 AM

Re: Orinoco or Basjoo?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kalabrian (Post 83741)
Thanks to all. It is a good news to me if they are not basjoos, for I can hope they are edible types. Notwithstanding I would lovely care for them also if they are basjoo...:0517:

In any case, I want to point out a pair of things which yesterday I forgot to mention:

1) the photos were taken some time ago. The first plant, photo taken in full winter as you can see from the surrounding trees. The second plant, photo taken in late autumn. I made this clear to explain the apparent poor health of both plants. However, it seems to me they have that black parts on the p-stem also in summer.

2) if they are not basjoo is very interesting because these plants as I said were brought from the mountain, from a place which experiences every year several frosts and at least once or twice year temp can drop to -7 or -8. These plants were in open air with no protection. Should they be edible, I could be the finder of a new Tx Star, the Mountain Calabria Star :ha:I am jokin though.

In any case, later I will try to post photos of my plants of the local edible variety, if this helps in the identification.

Sweet Kalabrian, go on and search for such varieties! We will need them, once the global warming does its charm. :D

But still I wonder, didn't you say that they are not fruit bearing in such conditions? Is it because they die down to some point in winter, or because they sipmly don't have vegetational period long enough?

asacomm 07-10-2009 05:29 PM

Re: Orinoco or Basjoo?
 
The most distinctive point between Orinoco and Basjoo is that Orinoco has
waxy white powder like material on its stem and petioles, but there is nothing
such white material on Basjoo.

Simply Bananas 07-10-2009 06:22 PM

Re: Orinoco or Basjoo?
 
The flared petiole and leaf base along with the scurfy p-stem in some lead me to think its basjoo, or most of them.

natedogg1026 07-11-2009 12:40 AM

Re: Orinoco or Basjoo?
 
Not an Orinoco IMO. Looks more like Basjoo to me but like Gabe said it is a lil off.

Kalabrian 07-11-2009 03:29 AM

Re: Orinoco or Basjoo?
 
Thanks to all friends, today I will try to post photos of the Orinoco-like locals, which I had to do yesterday.

Jack, it is because of vegetational period too short. Anyway I was joking concerning the new variety, I do not even know if it is a edible.

Peace

Jack Daw 07-11-2009 04:02 AM

Re: Orinoco or Basjoo?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kalabrian (Post 83888)
Thanks to all friends, today I will try to post photos of the Orinoco-like locals, which I had to do yesterday.

Jack, it is because of vegetational period too short. Anyway I was joking concerning the new variety, I do not even know if it is a edible.

Peace

Well keep us posted. Musa 'Calabria Star' would be a perfect name just waiting for any plant to be named so. :D

sandy0225 07-11-2009 04:02 PM

Re: Orinoco or Basjoo?
 
It does look like basjoo to me too, but it's missing the typical red striping down the center of the leaf that often occurs.

mskitty38583 07-11-2009 11:08 PM

Re: Orinoco or Basjoo?
 
im not an expert but it looks like my orinocos i have growing in the year. there is no red ribbing in the vein and the leaf shape looks like oronico. jmo

natedogg1026 07-12-2009 08:05 PM

Re: Orinoco or Basjoo?
 
Does it have any wax under the leaves? That will help us out. Orinoco's are quite waxy. Under the leaf and on the pseudostem. The plant in the pic seems to have a bright green pseudo which I have only seen on basjoo. Also my basjoo's of that size have no red on the mid rib. That is typical of young basjoo's. Hope this helps.


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