This is not M. rubinea... ¡¡¡

barna · 12-19-2011, 04:30 PM

Some years ago I purchased some supposed M. rubinea seeds, and just a couple of them sprouted. Several years latter, only one of this plants survived but obviously it is not M. rubinea.

However this plant has shown a good cold hardiness. It is planted beside my M. basjoo (regular and Sakhalin) and my M. sikkimensis (Red Tiger) and at least it showed the same cold hardiness. I would guess it is a little bit more hardy because the leaves stay green longer and start growing in spring some weeks before basjoo. But of course this could also be due to a microclimate
In any case no idea what species it is.

I take this pictures of the male bud and fruits this morning, could somebody help to identify it?

griphuz · 12-19-2011, 05:39 PM

Can you tell us anything about the size of the seeds? Were they the size of sikkimensis seeds, or velutina seeds?

Kind regards,
Remko.

barna · 12-20-2011, 05:12 AM

I do not remember any thing about its size....

I grew this seeds several year ago and unfortunately I have not a picture of the seeds

I purchased these seeds from Sunshine-seeds or Sementes.de short after they become available.

Gabe15 · 12-20-2011, 10:05 AM

It looks lik M. sikkimensis to me.

barna · 12-30-2011, 06:13 PM

Thank you Gabe,

I never ordered seed of M sikimmensis .... but of course at that time they were available from the same shop.

Do you think is a pure one or can be a hybrid? The male bud looks different from the other one in my M. sikimmensis "Red Tiger"

If temperatures do not go lower, there is a possibility the fruits develop seeds and I can then take a picture and post it.

Markku Hakkinen · 02-03-2012, 02:35 PM

This looks Musa ochracea K.Seph. It has been quite rare in cultivation.
Markku.

tony palmer · 02-08-2012, 01:17 PM

Hola Barna,
Musa ochracea, does not have wax on the stem.. unlike your plant!
That said I’m not sure about what variety you have?

Tony

Markku Hakkinen · 02-08-2012, 03:25 PM

There is the type of M.ochracea with the photos at Kew. The wax is not a key for analysing the species. Many species are either waxles or waxy depending o growing area and elevation.

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