Musa x paradisiaca?!?
 

All hello! I have bought семнена the wild form of banana Musa x paradisiaca. But anything about it I do not know. Here again on a site about it nothing has found. That it for a kind where grows, its sizes... Who has an information on this kind and a photo, shall be very grateful.

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From what I can understand, семнена could rather be like semina or semena in latin which basically means seeded. And as you say it is a wild banana, and since they like to call it the "wild from of Musa x paradisiaca", I think your plant could be Musa balbisiana, but it is hard to say for sure.

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From our sources of the information about Musa paradisiaca it is known, that this kind is the wild form of a banana and is applied in crossing with other kinds, to reception of the edible grades which are not having seeds. It has seeds and edible fruits. There where I bought its seeds, seeds Musa balbisiana too are on sale, as other kind. I already have absolutely got confused. It turns out Musa paradisiaca-it Musa balbisiana? But it seems to me, that their flowers differ from each other. Who else, what will prompt?

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I was looking at the picture on sunshine-seeds website just yesterday of this plant that they call Musa X paradisiaca. It has a yellowish flower with red streaks in it, but when you click on the photo to enlarge it, a bunch of fruit pops up instead. The flower picture that they post doesn't resemble M. balbisiana, and is really quite exotic looking. I think Tropicallvr has germinated some of these seeds. Where has he been recently anyway?

Here's the small picture they provide on the sunshine-seeds.com website:

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I have a little looked for information and have found the following. Musa x paradisiaca-it is synonym Musa sapientum, still it name a paradise banana. Only I shall not approve, so it or not. It is used in food by inhabitants of the tropical countries, basically after processing. The photo from a site, seems to me, other kind. I have found some photos and have compared them, they are completely not similar. Strange any kind. The information on it has many disagreements..

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Frank, that photo is of M. itinerans var. guangdongensis (Burmese Blue).

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All hello! I had a new information, that Musa x paradisiaca it is a hybrid (M. X sapientum L.; M. acumianta X M. balbisiana Colla). Your opinion?:2711:

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The names given to not make any sense. Musa paradisiaca and Musa sapientum are not real plants. There is a lot of confusion among seed dealers about the taxonomy of bananas, and many of them give names to seeds that do not make sense.

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Gabe, while I mostly agree with you about the two bananas you mentioned not being "real" plants, the name Musa paradisiaca does have botanical significance. It was the first botanical name given to a banana using the binomial nomenclature system, and given by Linnaeus himself. Technically, since it was the first name, it has priority over any other name given afterwards. I know that bananas have been revised taxonomically, and that the name doesn't actually refer to any particular species or cultivar, but I still think that it does have some validity. If nothing else, it could be used to refer to any hybrid cultivar (i.e. Musa X paradisiaca 'Dwarf Brazilian').

Just my two cents! :2212:

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I in shop have bought seeds and on packing is written Musa x paradisiaca. Here also it would be desirable to learn, wild it is a kind or hybrid. But this name is very often used, but sense at all different. Still heard, that Musa x paradisiaca name plantain. Has completely got confused.:2739: :2739: :choochoo:

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Yes, it does get confusing! Seed dealers use Musa x paradisiaca when they have no idea what it is I guess. It means absolutely nothing when labeled as such. It could be anything, a wild species or a hybrid. The Musa x paradisiaca plants that I have seen in person look very much like a Musa acuminata type.

The perception out there is that Musa paradisiaca is a plantain, while Musa sapientum is a dessert banana. Gabe is correct, these names really don't mean anything in modern Musa taxonomy. However, they used to be officially recognized names, so it is difficult to completely get rid of them.

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All is clear, completely with you agree. I shall grow up, that is. When the factory will grow, probably it will be possible to define to external attributes, on what it is more similar. All many thanks!:choochoo:

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I have what is supposed to be a X paradisiaca in my poly tunnel for the winter. not looking at its best at the moment but I will take a couple of photos of it at the weekend.

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What gets even more confusing, is that in parts of Africa and Asia they have officially reverted back to these names, refering to plantains as M. paradisiaca and desserts as M. sapientum, which I suppose makes it easy for farmers (which was the intention), but for researchers its still useless (in my opinion).

Also, the "x" part seems most useless to me, which stems from the general perception (or rather misconception) of the origin of edible bananas. Often you will read something like "all modern bananas are derived from hybrids of two original wild species"...which can be true...sometimes, but what is not always clearly stated is that many come from just one of those species (Musa acuminata), so many are not even interspecific hybrids with M. balbisiana. Looking just at those which have only M. acuminata blood in them, the origins become even foggier. Some are derived from a single subspecies of M. acuminata, really not even that different from the wild form, while many others are offspring from multiple subspecies within M. acuminata, being of complex intraspecific origins. So even if, the genomic composition of a cultivar is strictly in the M. acuminata arena, it is still very likely derived from hybrids between previously existing primitive landraces and other wild M. acuminata subspeices in the area.

It is not often mentioned (though I am not alone in this), but it is my belief that edible bananas originated from many different sources (fe'i banana are proof that the phenomenon had to have happened twice, at the very, very least), and it wasn't just one plant that set it all of it. It could have been tens, hundreds, or likely thousands of separate occurrences of parthenocarpacy, sterility and hybridization (in a plethora of combinations) that has led to the diversity we see in edible bananas today (which is still ever-changing the same way it has been). Add on top of that thousands of years of random mutation and selection and you can start to see the mess.

So there's my bit on banana taxonomy for the day:)

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agree with all that.

A lovely, graceful plant too :0521:

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Yes Gabe, all is valid is confused. We shall consider, that Musa x paradisiaca-it hybrid Musa acuminata and M. balbisiana, and differently absolutely we shall get confused. Thanks for the information. Gabe, and you have photo wild Musa acuminata?:doggyandnaner:

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Musa x paradisiaca

We grow this variety in Iceland and we had it here since 1950, this is also called a french plantain and is a known botannical name not some unknown variety wich has been known since 100 years before christ. The x is because it is some kind of hybrid within this species hybraded with some of the same species as this variety were bred, it is usually the same fruit but differ in size, usually it is small from 5-6 feets but some are up to 20 feets. This are very tasty small bananas and look fantastic