Musa paradisiaca ?

rick2001 · 06-20-2010, 07:20 AM

Hi everybody.
On march 2010 I bought a banano here in rome and the tag on it stated "musa paradisiaca", but I'm not sure about the identification....
Can you help me ?

Here are some pics:

The growing rate is 1 leave every 5 days.

Thanks in advance to anyone who will be able to help me .

Bye

Kostas · 06-20-2010, 10:22 AM

Its a Brazilian/Hawaian Apple banana. We will know if its the Tall or Dwarf when it flowers.

Musa paradisiaca is not a valid name as it was used to describe the edible bananas which are cultivars and hybrids of already named species.

rick2001 · 06-20-2010, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kostas

Its a Brazilian/Hawaian Apple banana. We will know if its the Tall or Dwarf when it flowers.

Musa paradisiaca is not a valid name as it was used to describe the edible bananas which are cultivars and hybrids of already named species.

Thanks Kostas ! I was sure that the name wasn't correct.... luckily there is this forum and many experts like you....

bigdog · 06-20-2010, 10:39 AM

Looks like a variety of Musa acuminata to me.

Gabe15 · 06-20-2010, 01:05 PM

I say its fairly unidentifiable until it flowers. If I had to choose, I would lean towards some Bluggoe, such as 'Orinoco' (a very common variety with many other names) or 'Silver Bluggoe' (another very common variety with many other names). But again, its a very young plant growing in a container too, so the few distinguishing traits that can be seen may also be distorted from how they would appear if planted in the ground.

I don't think there is much of any resemblance to a Pome (Brazilian/Hawaiian Apple), which have very noticeable open petiole canals with red margined wings. Additionally the pseudostem color is wrong, Pomes never develop that dark green with black vertical striations. Both the dwarf and tall common forms are the most common bananas in Hawaii, I see them on a daily basis.

I also don't think it looks like any common M. acuminata variety I have seen, too much wax, especially lower on the petioles. Did you have a particular variety in mind, Frank?

Kostas · 06-20-2010, 02:21 PM

Thanks Rick but i am not an expert on bananas unfortunately....Gabe is though!

Thanks Gabe for explaining your id again! I thought i would give it a try but turns i was wrong :^) I thought the long leafs and light green/yellow midrib had some resemblance...

rick2001 · 07-22-2011, 02:21 AM

Hi!
I'm resuming back this old post to show finally this musa flowering......

Dalmatiansoap · 07-22-2011, 06:12 AM

Bravo!

Gabe15 · 07-22-2011, 11:55 AM

That is what is internationally known as a Bluggoe banana, the common cultivar name in the US is 'Orinoco'. If you look up information on Musa 'Orinoco', you will find out more information about your plant.

rick2001 · 07-22-2011, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Gabe15

That is what is internationally known as a Bluggoe banana, the common cultivar name in the US is 'Orinoco'. If you look up information on Musa 'Orinoco', you will find out more information about your plant.

Hi Gabe, thanks!
It could be a common spin off of Orinoco widley spread here in Italy called "Comune di Sicilia"... but not sure.
Can you spot any significant difference from the tipical Orinioco ?
Thanks again

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